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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:11 am    Post subject: [Rewrite] Generic Jedi - Librarian / Archivist / Historian Reply with quote

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Standard Name: Generic Jedi - Librarian / Archivist / Historian
Primary Detachment: KJO
Submission Date:
Existing Standard URL: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/jedi-librarian-archivist-historian/

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Character Description
Jedi librarians, also called Jedi scholars, were members of the Jedi Order who had chosen to pursue the teachings of the Consular, specializing as a Lore Keeper. These Jedi were dedicated to safeguarding and updating the Order’s libraries and the Jedi Temple Archives.

Required Items
Inner Tunic:
Required Details:
    - 3. Inner Tunic:
    May be a full tunic or a false tunic (meaning a collar, neck portion and sleeves may be added to a shirt or t-shirt) or dickies or tunics/shirts with a Mandarin collar
    a. If the OT is sleeveless, then an IT must be worn and must have long sleeves. - when not using a dress


Outer Tunic:
Required Details:
    - 1. Outer Tunic (when not using a dress):
    a. Sleeved. Sleeves should hang at least to the wrist when the arms are held down at the side.
    b. Martial arts clothing in any form is unapprovable.
    c. OTs can be sleeveless as long as an Inner Tunic (IT) is worn and is long sleeved. No bare-armed Generic Jedi.
    d. OTs have a collar approximately 2 inches (5 cm) wide.
    e. OTs length may be variable and can extend to the floor. OTs minimal length should be long enough to cover the wearer’s buttocks and crotch area. Mid-thigh is optimal. OTs are generally made in a fashion where there is a full skirt (attached to the main body of the OT) where the seam is hidden by the obi.
    f. OTs minimum length must cover crotch and buttocks, when wearing pants.


Optional Details:
    - 2. Dress: (Example: Atris):
    Like OTs, they are floor length.
    When a dress, no skirt and pants are needed.


Tabards:
Required Details:
    - 5. Tabards:
    There are geometrical pattern on the tabards.
    Must extend at least to or past the bottom hem of the OT on the front. The back tabards may end under the obi or may extend to (or past) the bottom hem of the OT (or may be the same length as the front tabards). This guideline is obviously for the more traditional length OTs. For OTs that are longer (past the knee or to the floor or where a full length skirt is worn), the tabard length would be more variable.
    a. Front tabards do not overlap, but can touch under the obi. Tabards may cross in the back.
    b. Scarf-style tabards, having an around-the-neck design, are permitted.
    c. A single front tabard, centrally located (covering the crotch area) is permitted.
    d. The end of the front tabard(s) may have a variable design (square, rounded, triangular, octagonal, etc.)
    e. Leather or pleather tabards permitted.
    f. Tabard width should be from the seam at the collar of the OT to the edge of the shoulder and be a similar width as the obi. A general width to use would be 5 inches to 6 inches wide (depending on one’s height and build). Common sense should be used in selecting tabard width, and the width is proportional to the costumer’s body.


Obi:
Required Details:
    - 6. Obi (sash):
    The obi wraps around the waist, and is approximately 4 to 6 inches wide and/or of a similar width as the tabards.
    a. Obi closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.
    b. Leather or pleather Obi are permitted.
    c. Obi may have borders.


Pants / Skirt:
Required Details:
    -4. Pants or Skirts:
    a. Pants should be nondescript without decoration. Traditional pants pockets are permitted, but must not be visible (e.g., hidden under the skirt of the OT).
    b. No cargo pants.
    c. No hakamas.
    d. No Corellian Blood Stripes (Han Solo Pants).
    e. Skirts (those separate from the OT) are floor length.
    7. Option A: Skirt:
    a. Skirts (those separate from the OT) are floor length.
    Option B: Pants
    a. Pants should be non-descript without decoration. Traditional pants pockets are permitted, but must not be visible (e.g. hidden under the skirt of the OT).


Boots:
Required Details:
    - 8. Boots or shoes:
    When wearing skirt or dress:
    Footwear is low heeled and closed-toed.
    When wearing pants:
    Brown or Black Boots – Leather or leather-like (no rubber boots).
    a. Mid-calf, but not above the knee (motorcycle boots, or “engineer” boots, ~14 inches). Extensions are allowed).
    b. No visible laces or outside zippers. When necessary, inside zippers are permitted.
    c. Straps & shin-spats are allowed but not required (though can be used to cover laces and zippers).
    d. Buckles are permitted, but should complement the boot and not detract from the overall look of the Jedi costume.
    e. Low-heeled 1 to 1 1/2 inches maximum.
    f. Mini-Chaps (not above the knee) are allowed.



Optional Items:

Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - Silver coloured lightsaber hilt.
    - The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only).
    - Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
    - If bladed must be blue, green, yellow, orange, white or violet. No red, pink or black blades.
    - No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber.
    - c. Double-blade sabers are allowed.


Tools:
Required Details:
    -1. Librarian Tools: Example Jocasta Nu.


Robe:
Required Details:
    - 2. Jedi Robe or Cloak (Cape):
    Large Jedi robe or cloak (cape) with attached over-sized hood, similar to Prequel movie canon robes/cloaks.
    a. A hooded cape with side splits is permitted.
    b. The hood should be large enough so that (1) when the hood is up, the sides of the hood drape to extend to or cover the shoulders and (2) when down, the tip of the hood should fall near the small of the back (or lower).
    c. The sleeves should be full and flare larger on the hand end. When the hand end of the robe sleeve is closed, the length of the end of the sleeve should be at least half the length of the costumers arm (or longer). The circumference of the robe sleeve opening (at the hand) should be at least as long as the sleeve (from shoulder to the hem).
    d. The overall body of the robe or cloak/cape should be full.
    e. The length of the robe or cloak/cape should be hemmed no shorter than two inches off the floor.


Pouches:
Required Details:
    - Big brown suede pouch on below the obi rounded and gathered with a thick cord at the top (drawstring type).



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd need to double check reference but there are a handful of things that are taken directly from the main Jedi standard that don't fit as well here.

It might be useful to revisit some of those and refine and clarify this, thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree, if the "Generic Jedi" is Okay for everyone, then the one for Archivar should be the same except the Tabards.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello everyone!

We are going to reactivate that thread for two weeks to create a completed Standard. All members are invited to participate in the discussion. All can provide images, references and information. All is important.

Final date: 01/31/2019

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will revisit the text now that we've seen it in action.

Would be useful to note that it shouldn't be approved as a second Jedi costume just because someone takes off their belt.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ionicdesign wrote:
Will revisit the text now that we've seen it in action.

Would be useful to note that it shouldn't be approved as a second Jedi costume just because someone takes off their belt.


Hello Michael!!

Good point of view, especially with the second point!

Thank you for your help.

Yours!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder why a librarian/archivist generic Jedi can only have a round drawstring pouch. I know the main reference is Jocasta Nu in the movie, (unless I am missing something) but I wonder if other modes of carrying necessities would exist in lieu of using pockets. Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is a robe required? Was Jocasta Nu ever shown in the movies wearing a robe?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The robe is an optional item, not a required one.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orissa Erte wrote:
The robe is an optional item, not a required one.


I apologize, I read it three times and still missed that. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orissa Erte wrote:
I wonder why a librarian/archivist generic Jedi can only have a round drawstring pouch. I know the main reference is Jocasta Nu in the movie, (unless I am missing something) but I wonder if other modes of carrying necessities would exist in lieu of using pockets. Just a thought.


Do you have reference for anything else? If so please post. Smile

Boundsj1830 wrote:
Why is a robe required? Was Jocasta Nu ever shown in the movies wearing a robe?


Yes, it is an optional item.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Star Wars Darth Vader comic book series Legacy's End, Jocasta Nu wears a very different outfit. She wears a belt with pouches and a belt buckle. These are different from her usual attire while in the library. It seems to me that she probably would have had alternate ways to carry her necessities than a drawstring pouch. I'm not sure how to attach an image to this posting, but the references are in Dawn Brite's approved costume of this version of Jocasta Nu.

I would be interested if such alternates were approved.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orissa Erte wrote:
In the Star Wars Darth Vader comic book series Legacy's End, Jocasta Nu wears a very different outfit. She wears a belt with pouches and a belt buckle. These are different from her usual attire while in the library. It seems to me that she probably would have had alternate ways to carry her necessities than a drawstring pouch. I'm not sure how to attach an image to this posting, but the references are in Dawn Brite's approved costume of this version of Jocasta Nu.

I would be interested if such alternates were approved.


True Jocasta did then, they are for that specific costume. They are not for this. She was no longer a librarian then, she was a vagabond seeking to slay Vader. She also has a lightsaber rifle, and other things that are fine for a specific build of that costume, but not relevant to the typically Jedi Historian / Archivist / Librarian look and attire.





if it is an issue of carrying things I'd suggest trousers with pockets, as they would be hidden in this style. Pouches should match reference of characters acting as Jedi Historians / Archivists / Librarians.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Jocasta Nu the Jedi Sniper' Aye at this point she may have been a librarian as Shaak-Ti was on the council but that is no more. She's a rogue Jedi on the run from Vader. Ok maybe not so much from Vader as she is basically a Jedi sniper at this point. She's still a "Jedi" but far from a librarian. It would be like comparing Luke's apprentices to the apprentice costumes of the Jedi that Anakin would have worked with.

Like mixing a Renaissance style bodice with a crop top.
The two are both clothes but are not from the same era.

Hope that makes sense
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kylo Ren wrote:
'Jocasta Nu the Jedi Sniper' Aye at this point she may have been a librarian as Shaak-Ti was on the council but that is no more. She's a rogue Jedi on the run from Vader. Ok maybe not so much from Vader as she is basically a Jedi sniper at this point. She's still a "Jedi" but far from a librarian. It would be like comparing Luke's apprentices to the apprentice costumes of the Jedi that Anakin would have worked with.

Like mixing a Renaissance style bodice with a crop top.
The two are both clothes but are not from the same era.

Hope that makes sense


Granted, this is more specific to Jocasta Nu post order 66. She is no sniper, however. She was defending herself against Darth Vader when she returned to the library to get the list of force sensitive children that she wanted to keep out of the hands of Palpatine. The "rifle" was an attempt to fight back with a weapon she took from the vault and inserted her light saber in it, which depleted her saber in the process.

In any case, I am trying to figure the best way to carry a holochron without squishing it in too small a container. That is my motivation for asking about alternate "pouches" or carry bags. Ki-Adi Mundi used a cross body bag, however it was small and under his surcoat. I am looking for a viable alternative. I guess, unless we find an example of such a thing, it becomes a moot point.

Thank you for considering my questions.
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