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Padme Amidala Naboo Fighter Pilot
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:40 pm    Post subject: Padme Amidala Naboo Fighter Pilot Reply with quote

It's taken me a while to get this one up to date, and more detailed, but I'm finally happy to share the Pilot Padme revisions! I know it's got some tweaking, but this is one of my favorites and I've been itching to get this to a good place to post. Let me know how it looks!

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Standard Name: Padme Amidala Naboo Fighter Pilot
Primary Detachment: Rebel Legion Galactic Senate
Submission Date:
Existing Standard URL: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/padme-amidala-naboo-fighter-pilot-episode-ii-attack-of-the-clones/

Front Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-1.jpg

Back Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-6.jpg

Character Description
Padmé Amidala Naberrie, commonly known as Padmé Amidala, was a human female politician who became a leading voice for peace and diplomacy during the final years of the Galactic Republic. Amidala was elected Queen of Naboo at the age of fourteen. Rising to galactic prominence after the Trade Federation invaded and occupied her homeworld of Naboo, she emerged as a leading member of the Galactic Senate during the Clone Wars. Through her furtive relationship and marriage to Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, she was the mother of the legendary Jedi Master Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia Organa of Alderaan, the latter of whom followed in her footsteps as a champion for the democratic ideals of the Republic.

(Source: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Padm%C3%A9_Amidala)

Required Items

Shirt

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/maggie/pilot1_med.jpg

Required Details:

- Close-fitting, long-sleeved shirt of a medium chestnut brown suede or suede-like fabric
- Worn untucked from the pants
- Should not extend past the bottom curve of the vest
- A tall, fitted ribbed collar and yoke in a dark brown/black color (may be a dickie or part of the suede shirt), extends from the shirt under the vest

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-4.jpg
URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=24&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/kd165_med.jpg

Pants

Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-2.jpg

Required Details:
-Fitted leggings in a tomato red stretch fabric with a matte or subtle sheen.

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/kd166_med.jpg

Vest

Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-5.jpg

Required Details:

- Fitted vest of a charcoal gray leather or leather-like material, may include a hint of teal
- Has a short V neckline (shouldn’t extend past collarbone)
- A short front contoured hem should reach above the crotch, with a longer back hem reaching just bellow the butt
- Vest has double beveling detail on all edges, similar to piping, with the outermost edge being thicker than the inner. Beveling does not extend over shoulders
- Over the right shoulder should be a rectangular flap that allows wearer to easily put on the vest, closes with velcro, snaps, etc.
- Right side of vest should also open to allow easy wearing, closes with snaps
- Left side of shoulder and waist have no openings

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-6.jpg
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/new1.jpg
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/dtg1.jpg

Boots

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/flightsuit_visualdictionary.jpg

Required Details:

- Knee-high, low-heeled, riding-style dark brown suede or suede-like boots
- Each with a dark brown leather or leather-like wide strap with a square brass buckle on the front of the ankle (buckle on the outside of leg)
- A dark brown leather or leather-like long, narrow trapezoidal pouch at the top of the boot shaft on the outside of the leg; the straps have a beveled detail
- No zippers unless hidden

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-5.jpg
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/chronicles2.jpg

Belt

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/dm39_med.jpg

Required Details:

- Belt of a medium brown leather or faux leather material, with two lines of tooling (stitching for leather-like material) running across in the middle
- An ornate, filigree brass buckle sits on the front
- Two medium brown leather or faux leather pouches sit on both sides, with two thin flap closures that extend from the inside and attach using brass snaps. Five thick vertical lines, in corresponding sizes, sit right below the closer

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=277&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=279&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/maggie/pilot1_med.jpg

Gloves

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/kd168_med.jpg

Required Details:

- Leather or leather-like gloves in a medium chestnut brown
- Should be lighter in color than the vambraces

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/dm38_med.jpg
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/makingof5.jpg

Vambraces

Image URL: https://i.imgur.com/jbRuWAi.jpg

Required Details:

- Dark brown hard materiel (similar to sintra or plastic, vacuum-formed preferred) vambraces that span from mid-forearm to flair over the knuckles
- Painted to look like leather
- A double beveling detail is around all edges of the bracer, with no brakes in the design, similar to piping.
- Outside detail is thicker than the inside, with the outside meeting and spanning straight down the front forearm of the bracer
- Should be loose on the wearer, with no visible closers

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=21&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/makingof5.jpg

Hair

Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-6.jpg

Required Details:

- Hair is parted at the center and gathered at the nape of the neck (should not be easily seen head-on from the front)
- Split into 6 thin ponytails, each secured with 4 decorative silver rings evenly spaced down the hair (with the middle two being placed together).
- Tiers of silver rings proportional to the reference
- At the end of each decorative set should be 1 small wire woven around the hair
- The hair should be long (reaching just past the belt preferred)
- Naturally occurring hair colors only; no bangs

Optional Details:

- A decorative design engraved onto each of the four silver rings

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-11.jpg
URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-7.jpg

Optional Items

Helmet

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/helmet.jpg
Naboo N-1 flight helmet with full yellow face shield

Additional Images:

URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=20&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=278&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This looks great, thanks! I'll move this into the live discussion forum.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This looks great so far!

On a stylistic level, the LMO asked us to stay away from the word "should" since that can be confusion as optional vs. not, especially in translation. I usually go for "costume piece has..." instead of "should have..."

We also have to have premission from the photographers for all exhibit photos we use, and credit their name (and link if requested) in the "Source:" line below each photo. I've got links to all of the folks we've gotten permission from so far here, and I think this costume shows up in several of their galleries. Unless we can track down the Padawan's guide photographers, we will probably need to swap those out.

A few specific things:

On the shirt, I think that collar is pretty clearly dark brown, so we could remove the option for black.

When talking about the vest closures, we should probably also specify that the snaps are not visible.

For the boots, it would probably help folks to have a maximum heel height. Probably 1" / 2.5 cm is enough. We also generally allow inside zippers as optional details for people with wider calves. Slip-on boots are tough for wide calves.

The last line of the pouch description confuses me. "Five thick vertical lines, in corresponding sizes, sit right below the closer" What were you trying to get at there?

When talking about the "outside detail" on the vambraces, I suspect that won't translate well. Maybe call it "beveling detail" to keep that clearer.

For the hair, the LMO wanted us to eliminate phrases like "proportional to the reference," so some basic measurements would probably help here.

Since this one was last updated, we adopted our hair policy in RLGS where we recommend the on-screen hair color, and also specify wig quality, so that would mean adding (brown recommended) to the last required line and then "If a wig or extensions are use, they must be of high quality and appear like real hair" in the optional details.

Thanks for taking this on!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kept meaning to comment on this as I've actually now made this costume but didn't have the time.

I really think this should be reworded.

"Fitted vest of a charcoal gray leather or leather-like material, may include a hint of teal "

The vest is not gray and is green as shown in these shots. We could perhaps word it as having a "gray undertone" but it is green.







On the pouches, perhaps the wording on the front of them should be along the lines of "5 decorative segments, growing in size from left to center and down to right" may be better. It's hard to describe them but they are there.

You can see them pretty clearly in this shot although the pouches Padme wears are smaller than the ones shown here.


I agree on the "beveled detail" on the gauntlets. They are raised in the actual pieces so by adding "beveled" or a similar word, the point would get across.

I understand that we want to be as specific as possible but how about adding the leather option to this phrase?

"- Dark brown hard materiel (similar to sintra or plastic, vacuum-formed preferred) vambraces that span from mid-forearm to flair over the knuckles "
since the very next phrase says this:

"- Painted to look like leather "

Makes sense that if it's "painted to look like leather" that we include the leather option there.

Looking at this shot and also freeze framing the film, I believe the collar is black. It's hard to tell but you can see a clear distinction from the sleeves of her shirt to the color of the collar.




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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for not being as active lately, life gets in the way sometimes lol

As for the changes and questions Jenna mentioned, a few I definitely meant to fix/reword (vambraces, and pouches for sure) and will be doing that shortly!

I will add about the vest closures and boots once I have a better minute to do so too! I do like the new hair policy, I know hair can become confusing so hopefully being more detailed will help.

As for the vambraces material, I know that we are aware of how they were made and personally seeing how others have made them using leather it does not get the correct effect. The bracers need to be stiff and hard, not flexible. If there was a way to make bracers look and act like that using leather I'm sure that could work, but I think I'd rather leave that out as an option.

I know I used a leather-like material for my Clone Wars Padme, that uses very similar bracers, which worked great for animation, but that wouldn't look accurate for this costume.

For the vest color, after looking at display and screen photos for a couple years now its more of a dark grey color with teal notes. Color correction in the movies changes it to take out the teal notes. If we were to put that the vest can be teal, we would get full on teal and green vest, which isn't accurate. Using the color as a hint is safer to get people to understand the color and what we're looking for.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bekahsoka wrote:


For the vest color, after looking at display and screen photos for a couple years now its more of a dark grey color with teal notes. Color correction in the movies changes it to take out the teal notes.


Color correction is one thing. The photos I posted are of the actual costume in different types of lighting and all show green. Maybe "green" isn't the correct color terminology but here is teal against the vest.



And here is gray against the vest.



So I would definitely disagree with the verbage "teal" based on the above examples. In addition, gray seems off as well. If a different pantone can be found to best describe it that would be great but I'd say its similar to "Kale" which is green although not en exact match.



If it is decided to not use leather as a possible material, that is fine but than the phrase "painted to look like leather" should be omitted as that could potentially confuse people.
If the right weight of leather is used and wetformed, the correct look can be achieved.

Edit: Adding that "Dark Olive" may be the perfect match. I'm comparing pantones now.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without getting into the actual color discussion, if something like the originally proposed wording was to be used, I'd recommend the word "tint" rather than "hint". "A slight teal tint" (or whatever color) is much more precise wording than "hint of teal". Especially when you consider people in other countries will be running these through automatic translation software.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kman wrote:
Without getting into the actual color discussion, if something like the originally proposed wording was to be used, I'd recommend the word "tint" rather than "hint". "A slight teal tint" (or whatever color) is much more precise wording than "hint of teal". Especially when you consider people in other countries will be running these through automatic translation software.


That’s a great idea! Wording can definitely be a challenge if it’s being translated through Babel Fish or the like.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling in with some color notes, since I have the advantage of a fully color correct professional grade DreamColor monitor. Razz None of those green pantone swatches look anywhere close to correct to my eye, so I did some color pulls:





While the second set of pulls does have the slightest, mildest mossy undertone, I would hesitate to use the words 'green' 'kale' or even 'olive' in the standards. Grey is a word that covers a lot of shades, including the undertones that have been mentioned here. I certainly would never ding someone for rolling in with a charcoal grey vest, and as you can see under different lights the tone photographs differently. One is cooler, one is warmer. The warmer shot was likely taken under a more yellow light, which would affect the way we perceive it (remember, the lights we use also interact with the colors we see).

I've said this in Jedi standards and I'll say it here: we don't want to get too granular with color, and we especially don't want to get too granular in a misleading direction. Charcoal grey is an excellent descriptor for the color we see, and it allows people some wiggle room in finding a good fabric for the tunic.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much Lisa for those color pulls! That will really help with wording and judging this costume. I’ll be rewording everything either today or tomorrow and post the new standards once finished Smile

Also thanks for the suggestion kman! Hint was the word originally used so I had just kept it, but I like tint more for sure.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On further research, this also could be in a similar realm.


Without getting into too specific of a "Forest Night" specificity, I would suggest a Pantone range be added. Some people see colors one way and some another and that's natural.

There is a color chart for Jedi. I think it would be a good idea to do that as an option going forward for things like this as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Padme Amidala Naboo Fighter Pilot Reply with quote

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Quote:
Standard Name: Padme Amidala Naboo Fighter Pilot
Primary Detachment: Rebel Legion Galactic Senate
Submission Date:
Existing Standard URL: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/padme-amidala-naboo-fighter-pilot-episode-ii-attack-of-the-clones/

Front Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-1.jpg

Back Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-6.jpg

Character Description
Padmé Amidala Naberrie, commonly known as Padmé Amidala, was a human female politician who became a leading voice for peace and diplomacy during the final years of the Galactic Republic. Amidala was elected Queen of Naboo at the age of fourteen. Rising to galactic prominence after the Trade Federation invaded and occupied her homeworld of Naboo, she emerged as a leading member of the Galactic Senate during the Clone Wars. Through her furtive relationship and marriage to Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, she was the mother of the legendary Jedi Master Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia Organa of Alderaan, the latter of whom followed in her footsteps as a champion for the democratic ideals of the Republic.

(Source: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Padm%C3%A9_Amidala)

Required Items

Shirt

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/maggie/pilot1_med.jpg

Required Details:

- Close-fitting, long-sleeved shirt of a medium chestnut brown suede or suede-like fabric
- Worn untucked from the pants
- Should not extend past the bottom curve of the vest
- A tall, fitted ribbed collar and yoke in a dark brown/black color (may be a dickie or part of the suede shirt), extends from the shirt under the vest

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-4.jpg
URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=24&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/kd165_med.jpg

Pants

Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-2.jpg

Required Details:
-Fitted leggings in a tomato red stretch fabric with a matte or subtle sheen.

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/kd166_med.jpg

Vest

Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-5.jpg

Required Details:

- Fitted vest of a charcoal gray leather or leather-like material, may include a tint of teal or green
- Has a short V neckline (shouldn’t extend past collarbone)
- A short front contoured hem should reach above the crotch, with a longer back hem reaching just bellow the butt
- Vest has double beveling detail on all edges, similar to piping, with the outermost edge being thicker than the inner. Beveling does not extend over shoulders
- Over the right shoulder should be a rectangular flap that allows wearer to easily put on the vest and closes with Velcro.
- Right side of vest should close with snaps that are not visible
- Left side of shoulder and waist have no openings

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-6.jpg
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/new1.jpg
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/dtg1.jpg

Boots

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/flightsuit_visualdictionary.jpg

Required Details:

- Knee-high, low-heeled, riding-style dark brown suede or suede-like boots
- Each with a dark brown leather or leather-like wide strap with a square brass buckle on the front of the ankle (buckle on the outside of leg)
- A dark brown leather or leather-like long, narrow trapezoidal pouch at the top of the boot shaft on the outside of the leg; the straps have a beveled detail
- No zippers unless hidden

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-5.jpg
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/chronicles2.jpg

Belt

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/dm39_med.jpg

Required Details:

- Belt of a medium brown leather or faux leather material, with two lines of tooling (stitching for leather-like material) running across in the middle
- An ornate, filigree brass buckle sits on the front
- Two medium brown leather or faux leather pouches sit on both sides, with two thin flap closures that extend from the inside and attach using brass snaps. Five thick vertical lines, in corresponding sizes, sit right below the closer

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=277&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=279&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/maggie/pilot1_med.jpg

Gloves

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/kd168_med.jpg

Required Details:

- Leather or leather-like gloves in a medium chestnut brown
- Should be lighter in color than the vambraces

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/dm38_med.jpg
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/makingof5.jpg

Vambraces

Image URL: https://i.imgur.com/jbRuWAi.jpg

Required Details:

- Dark brown hard vambraces (similar to sintra or plastic, vacuum-formed preferred) that span from mid-forearm to flair over the knuckles
- A double beveling detail is around all edges of the bracer, with no brakes in the design, similar to piping.
- Outside detail is thicker than the inside, with the outside meeting and spanning straight down the front forearm of the bracer
- Should be loose on the wearer, with no visible closures

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=21&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/makingof5.jpg

Hair

Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-6.jpg

Required Details:

- Hair is parted at the center and gathered at the nape of the neck (should not be easily seen head-on from the front)
- Split into 6 thin ponytails, each secured with 4 decorative silver rings evenly spaced down the hair (with the middle two being placed together).
- Tiers of silver rings proportional to the reference
- At the end of each decorative set should be 1 small wire woven around the hair
- The hair should be long (reaching just past the belt preferred)
- Naturally occurring hair colors only; no bangs

Optional Details:

- A decorative design engraved onto each of the four silver rings

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-11.jpg
URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-7.jpg

Optional Items

Helmet

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/helmet.jpg
Naboo N-1 flight helmet with full yellow face shield

Additional Images:

URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=20&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=278&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2


I have plenty of free time at work so went ahead and reworded several of the sections mentioned and fixed some spelling errors.

I'm sure it will be reworded again but this helps put some of the comments in the correct format.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeiaAurora wrote:
On further research, this also could be in a similar realm.


Without getting into too specific of a "Forest Night" specificity, I would suggest a Pantone range be added. Some people see colors one way and some another and that's natural.

There is a color chart for Jedi. I think it would be a good idea to do that as an option going forward for things like this as well.


There is a color chart for generic Jedi, where there is an extremely broad range of allowable colors. I would hesitate to compare any Padme standard to that. We do not have similar range charts available for Jedi face characters. We do, however, encourage color pulls from the reference material to show high, medium, and low lights.

It is true that some people perceive color differently, but to give an example that actually happened several years ago, we had a member who saw Padme's 'this is how liberty dies' dress as blue and grey, and so in spite of what the standards were telling her, she made it that way. When several people came back and told her the work was lovely but the dress was the wrong color, it turns out that's how she discovered she was going color blind. It was really sad, and it's an extreme example, but that's why color perception can only be of limited import when it comes to writing standards. Just because someone sees it that way doesn't make it correct.

Also, it's important to note that pantone swatches are of limited usefulness unless someone has a physical swatch book and has held it up against the real deal. Everyone's monitors and phone screens are calibrated slightly differently (again, I have the advantage of probably the most color correct monitor you can get). Furthermore, the standard RGB and CMYK color scales don't even cover every visible shade in the color spectrum due to the way they're calculated. Fun fact, the only scale that covers the full range is the CIE scale, which includes colors outside the visible spectrum. All monitors are calibrated against that scale and you can in fact request the conversion matrix from your screen's manufacturer if you're curious.

Pantones work for animated costumes because they were provided directly from Dave Filoni and if he doesn't know, who indeed does? They work for generic Jedi because it's a really broad range we're trying to cover. For something like Padme, if you're trying to get a laser focused color, the only way you're getting it is with the real printed swatches from Pantone, held up against the original garment, preferably under white lights. If anyone ever goes to one of these exhibits and can get that kind of swatch matching, they deserve some kind of RLGS medal. Laughing

I maintain my overall thesis to never get too granular with color in the standards because that way lies sadness.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sneaking in here between work things, but I wanted to ground this discussion in the LMO's guidance is not to use Pantone colors, because they often, unhelpfully, constrain around an obsession for exact, when what we do is really not an exact science. Things look different on screen and in person, and in official photos and that is all accurate.

Since we are moving to photo standards, we can use broader color descriptions to set the appropriate boundaries for variation, complemented by the best reference photos we have of each piece.

On the other hand, I agree with Lisa on this, there is certainly not any green in the leather. Having seen it in person, it's a cool, dark gray.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SongofAmazon wrote:
Sneaking in here between work things, but I wanted to ground this discussion in the LMO's guidance is not to use Pantone colors, because they often, unhelpfully, constrain around an obsession for exact, when what we do is really not an exact science. Things look different on screen and in person, and in official photos and that is all accurate.


I wish I could remember where the Pantone discussion was mentioned and discussed. It was my thought it would help others who may have issues as mentioned above ie;screen showing not correct color, bad vision/color blindness etc.

Ah well. It's good to know going forward regardless. Mr. Green
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