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RFT Pants Study-Let's get serious
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riva (Riva)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:04 am    Post subject: RFT Pants Study-Let's get serious Reply with quote

OK, I know 90% RFT players use BDU pants as instructed by CS, so not much of the study on the pants so far, then I am probably the starter of this.

The reason I'm not using BDU pants instead is:
1, BDU cutting is too loose for slim people like me.
2, BDU pants with the right color isn't easy to find in China, so make it less achievable and economical than in other countries.
3, The ANH didn't really use BDU pants anyway, there're still obvious differences on the cutting and cargo pockets. So why not try to make it better?
4, it's a RFT group build project in China now, so no need to worry about consistency at a short time.

So cut the crap and let's get started. Cool


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did study the pants to sew my own pants. Unfortunately. I did not document my findings or the creation of my pants besides a few photos in my WIP.

I wish you luck with your project and cannot wait to see its progress.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Due to lack of original source of prop detail photo, we can only extract some screen shots from HD version, and make some assumptions.

First let's take a look at the biggest differences with the BDU pants.

Side pockets
BDU pants has an obvious 2 vertical folding line, where the ANH RFT pants pockets have a simple flat surface, with extended edge to make it look thicker(to store more stuff).










Butt pockets
There's no obvious butt pocket in ANH, possible just a simple pocket without flap, or no pocket at all, we can't tell. Or they might be covered by the vest so you can't see them. BDU pants has large flaps at the butt, so they are not likely to be covered by the vest.




Seam lines
BDU has more seam lines around the knees and butt due to the extra pieces of cloths which increase the durability of the pants. In the movie you can't find them. It's just like a simple cutting cargo pants, not much tactical stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PArmstr wrote:
I did study the pants to sew my own pants. Unfortunately. I did not document my finding or the creation of my pants besides a few photos in my WIP.

I wish you luck with your project and cannot wait to see its progress.


Yes, you did a good job on your pants! I'm going to make a similar one. Here I only list out those findings to encourage people to dive deeper.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we can't get it uber accurate because everything is based on screen shots(which are mostly not clear enough to tell all the details), so here're some uncertain parts remains:

Wider Side Pocket Flap?
In this shot, it seems possible that the flap is wider than the pocket itself. But this could due to the distortion of the cloths. No other evidence show the same thing.


So when you design the cutting yourself, I would suggest go for plan B instead of plan A, so in the future if it prove it wrong, we can still replace it with a wider flap.



Buttons or Snaps?
This isn't clearly shown on the screen, but sometimes you can see a black dot on the flap, and most of the time you can't, so could it be a button hole on the flap? It might not get approved since it's not a strong evidence that the pocket flap can have a button hole.





So no matter button or snap you're going with, suggest not to penetrate the outer layer of the flap, just keep the button hole/snap inside, like the BDU design. So in the future, if it's proven wrong, you can still adjust the outer layer of the flap.
But at least it's obvious that it's one button/snap, not two on each pocket.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for looking into this. Great work. I've been thinking the same thing since I started looking into an RFT. I'm also making my own pants.

I actually found a pair of plain grey pants that look very close to the pants in ANH. I bought 2 pairs and the extra one will be used a material supply for the pockets.

I will be starting my own build thread soon, as soon as I get into production.

I will check back here often for updates!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No crap involved. We have no issue with you making your own pants and I believe that's what I've said all along.

We would encourage you to make your costumes as detailed and accurate as possible.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

navarre1095 wrote:
No crap involved. We have no issue with you making your own pants and I believe that's what I've said all along.

We would encourage you to make your costumes as detailed and accurate as possible.
Thanks for the encouragement, I'll keep it going.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone know why the images are shown in different sizes of thumbnail each time I open the page? Sometimes you can click it to enlarge and sometimes you cannot(especially when the thumbnails are very very small). I just use the [ IMG ] description.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's start my build:

The source material are two pairs of Giordano(an Hong Kong brand, quite easy to get in China) grey khaki pants. Don't mind the color, it's actually lighter than what you see on the photo. I just draft the paper template to feel the right size. The rest of the work has to wait for my tailor.





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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got it back from tailor and did a laundry, don't mind the wrinkle, I'll do some ironing later Laughing



The upper openings are sewed at the edges, to simulate the closed edges you see in the movie.



So, how do I look? Acceptable?



The only pain I have is the interaction with my boots. I bought a Chinese made, East-German style jackboot(we called it tanker's boot here), but it's a little bit too tall for mid-calf standard, and the blousing is a little bit tight to cover them. I admit BDU pants will be easier to do so.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about simply cutting the boots to the correct height and then restitching the new top edge?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EBGA wrote:
What about simply cutting the boots to the correct height and then restitching the new top edge?


Good thinking. I'm not that confidence on my leather skill, but I might try it(and even adding straps, like the West German jackboots) after I get my costume approved. Otherwise I fear it could end up half-done.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More new pic on the current built:












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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pants look very good.
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