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Poe Dameron-TLJ-jacket and pants standard discussion
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Schph Gochi (Phyllis Schulte)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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10. The back of the jacket has a center seam and two seams curving from under the arms to the bottom of the jacket with double rows of topstitching on each


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10. The back of the jacket has a center seam that ends at the shoulder blades and two seams curving from under the arms to the bottom of the jacket with double rows of topstitching on each


Many thanks Dawn...I always struggle with wording...

I plan to work on a little more simplified standard over the next couple of days using all of the great information gathered here...
post it in this thread and then we can refine the wording..

again...my thanks to all of you!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. If it only goes up to to shoulder blades and stops it's more of a dart than a seam.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although on a second look, the seam does appear to go all the way to the top.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaptainTightpantsCosplay wrote:
Although on a second look, the seam does appear to go all the way to the top.



It does! Interesting. Two jackets?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the front pocket/belt loop detail, are we saying it should be constructed as so:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say the pockets should probably be a little longer, but that's the general idea.

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For the front pocket/belt loop detail, are we saying it should be constructed as so:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly? It may just be that the seam is not 100% visible in the lighting of the lower res screen caps.

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CaptainTightpantsCosplay wrote:
Although on a second look, the seam does appear to go all the way to the top.



It does! Interesting. Two jackets?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaptainTightpantsCosplay wrote:
Possibly? It may just be that the seam is not 100% visible in the lighting of the lower res screen caps.

Kylo Ren wrote:
CaptainTightpantsCosplay wrote:
Although on a second look, the seam does appear to go all the way to the top.



It does! Interesting. Two jackets?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Proposed standard.....

please look over to see if there are any changes or clarifications needed. The information below is quite long...if anyone has some re-wording ideas that can shorten/simplfy...please let us know. Also let us know if some of the details are really not critical to be included in the standard.

I would like this conversation to last a week.



Poe TLJ Costume

Jacket -
Poe wears a dark brown field jacket
1. Poe’s jacket appears to be constructed of either dark brown waxed or coated tightly woven cotton or an ultra-thin waxy leather or leather-like fabric.
a. If it is cotton it should have a sheen and some crispness
b. If it is leather, it should be thin enough to have crisp corners and flat seams.
2. The jacket length should fall to the point of the hip, or midway between the crotch and the belt.
3. The sleeves are cuffed just above the wrist and extend to the middle of the hand.
4. The jacket has two pockets on either side of the chest with flaps and mitered corners at the bottom with double rows of topstitching on pockets and flaps.
5. The front of the jacket features two seams on opposite sides of the pocket running the length of the front with double rows of topstitching
6. There is a seam running diagonally across the shoulder of the front of the jacket from armpit to the collar with double rows of topstitching.
7. The right side placket has a seam that holds 6 alternating buckles in place. The left side placket is the mirror image of the right with the alternating hardware on the inside facing. The plackets should be edge-stitched
8. The jacket has a mandarin collar approximately 1 – 1.5” in length and is edge stitched.
9. Jacket hardware consists of 6 sets of alternating double hook and eye closures similar in appearance to lift-off hinges. The “male” piece features two hooks facing outward. The “female” piece features two slots. Both pieces are approximately 1”- 1.25” inches long
10. The back of the jacket has a center seam and two seams curving from under the arms to the bottom of the jacket with double rows of topstitching on each
11. The bottom is hemmed with a single him approximately 1”-1.25” from the bottom. Extending from the front placket seams.
12. Resistance Emblem – Poe has an Alliance starbird shoulder sleeve insignia The insignia is circle approximately 3 – 3.25” in diameter. The insignia is a dark red printed or painted starbird design on a white/of white circle. The insignia should be weathered


Shirt
1. Natural, ecru, or very light tan color long-sleeved shirt with standing/Mandarin collar, worn tucked into the pants.
a. Front has a rectangular bib with seams on the bottom and both sides which continue down to bottom of hem.
b. The corners on the upper sides of the bib open diagonally, creating flaps when open.
c. Double rows of topstitching in each seam on the front-bib and placket.


Pants
1. Utility trousers
a. Poe’s utility trousers are brown and can have dark olive undertones. Pant color should be lighter than the jacket.
b. The trouser feature Patch utility pockets on either side that extend upward to form the belt loops
c. There should be no pockets in the back


Boots
1. The boots are a calf high black or brown dyed to black boot, featuring a Velcro strap at the top and a verticle zipper on the inside. Boots have a flat sole.
2. The screen worn boots are Po-Zu Well 2 boots, boots should be as close a match as possible if not the screen worn boots. Some Po-Zu boots have logos stamped on them. Every effort should be made to make that logo less pronounced.


Belt and holster.
Poe has a leather or leather-like belt and holster rig in a tan to British tan in color
1. Poe’s belt is approximately 1.75” in width with a rectangular buckle. Buckle measures approx. 2" x 3-1/4"
2. Poe’s Holster should hang from a single loop on the right side and drop to just above the knee.
3. The holster itself folds over the Glie-44 pistol from right to left.
4. The right side of the holster has a U-shaped cut-out at the front fold, resulting in two straps that extend across the face of the holster to the opposite side. The underfold extend above the upper fold by about ½” to ¾”
5. The holster is secured by a leg strap approximately ½ - ¾” in width. The leg strap is secured two overlapping strap keepers.
6. There upper part of the holster features three loops in tan to natural cotton canvas webbing with three “energy pellet” greeblies, just below the beltline.
7. Additionally, the remaining part of the holster “drop” is divided equally with three lines of white horizontal stitching.


Hair and facial hair:
the applicant should be clean shaven or "5 o'clock shadow" and have a similar hairstyle.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am still convinced that there is something more to the back of the pants. I have seen some screen caps in which you can tell there is something there. Is it alright if I post them here? I just don't want to get in trouble but since Dawn has kindly shared some I take it it isn't a big deal?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the trousers, I would maybe wouldn't say dark brown. While certainly not light brown, they still need to a lighter shade of brown than the jacket.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote





Would these solve problems or make more problems...?
I guess this makes it solid that the jacket is in fact fabric.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaptainTightpantsCosplay wrote:
Regarding the trousers, I would maybe wouldn't say dark brown. While certainly not light brown, they still need to a lighter shade of brown than the jacket.


good point....changing...

WOW....where did you find those?

Who knew!!

They are digital only?

I would agree that we should probably remove the information that jacket can be leather....
I think it is now pretty firmly established that the jacket is a waxed fabric.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly, these are digital only.
https://picclick.com/?q=topps+star+wars+swatch
I just surfed through this website to get these and some more.
Some of the cards seem to have labelling mixed up,

such as this.
But I don't think these are one of them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marishka wrote:
Maybe I'm crazy but on my second viewing I swear that Poe's pants had a riding seam similar to Han's ESB pants.


Just re-watched the film one last time on IMAX, and was looking at Poe's backside in particular. I don't have any screen shots, but I did see some kind of seam going on on his butt too! Only a quick glimpse, in the scene toward the end on the bridge when he leans/falls against the window.

However, to me it didn't look like a riding seam, but rather some kind of reinforcement just on the seat of his pants (i.e., I saw some kind of semi-circle on his butt, but nothing on the back of his legs.) It looked familiar to a costume applicant I had recently, otherwise I wouldn't even have recognized that that is a thing. Some googling, and I found something similar to what I think I saw (just in regards to the butt seam) in these tactical pants:



Anyone else notice this? I'm not necessarily arguing it needs to go in the standard, especially without screen caps, but I wanted to confirm with Marishka that I see it too.
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