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Poe Dameron-TLJ-jacket and pants standard discussion
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Merc_with_a_Bryar (Sam Falco)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaptainTightpantsCosplay wrote:
I completely understand this. There are often a lot of inaccuracies in figure sculpts. However, i would add that they can provide a resource for guidance where no other visual evidence is present. Specifically, where details are consistent across multiple figure sculpts.


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Action figures have never been taken as accurate source material as far back as I can remember. Even though they are licensed material, their accuracy is generally never considered reliable and I have personally been bitten in the butt starting a costume from an action figure (even the large 12" and Sideshow versions) on more than one occasion.


Right, obviously in an instance of action figure vs actual costume image, action figure would never win out as the proper reference, I was speaking ONLY of cases where there is no other reference image in existence. In that case, it's literally the only reference we have, and as an LFL licensed resource, it falls within the written policies as being considered a legit resource. I hate to have to keep pushing, but this unwritten policy seems to be the lynchpin of this costume, and it just seems unnecessary.

As for the discussion of leather vs waxed fabric on the jacket, I side with team leather, because in most of the shots (especially the earlier ones) the jacket has the leather sheen, and in close ups, there's cross hatching or stitching texture, which would be visible on a cotton or denim fabric, even if it was waxed. The second shot above is from later in the film, after the jacket has been exposed to an explosion, and is most likely still dirty from that, which would account for the lack of shine. Plus, the aforementioned lighting difference likely plays a part. I'm currently seeing if anyone I know who worked on the production has gotten a look at it in person, or knows what the jacket was made from, so hopefully they come back with something.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much for that image...and..I think that is enough of the back of the jacket to show that it would appear that there is just one seam down the back....
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now .....
we only have one piece of missing information....
do the pants have pockets in the back...or not?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I m not sure we will ever know on the pockets. My gut says no. Have there ever been back pockets in Star Wars? I think they even ripped the back pockets off Luke's levis in ANH.

As for the back seams. There are still the two seams curving from under the arms, not quite princess seams but close.

This pic shows the bottom of said seams on the back.




Schph Gochi wrote:
Thank you so much for that image...and..I think that is enough of the back of the jacket to show that it would appear that there is just one seam down the back....
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now .....
we only have one piece of missing information....
do the pants have pockets in the back...or not?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couple of more great images for reference (nothing really new, though)





This last one is so HiRes you can clearly see that the pants are twill, that the jacket has some kind of coating, the reinforced knee-backs, and even the po zu logo on the boots!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm blanking out.... do we know what he wears on his necklace? I see the chain around his neck in that super hi-res shot.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a ring on a chain



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I'm blanking out.... do we know what he wears on his necklace? I see the chain around his neck in that super hi-res shot.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaptainTightpantsCosplay wrote:
I m not sure we will ever know on the pockets. My gut says no. Have there ever been back pockets in Star Wars? I think they even ripped the back pockets off Luke's levis in ANH.


I would agree....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaptainTightpantsCosplay wrote:
I m not sure we will ever know on the pockets. My gut says no. Have there ever been back pockets in Star Wars? I think they even ripped the back pockets off Luke's levis in ANH.


I'm right they did, lol.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so i have been thinking about how to resolve the back pockets issue. The pants Poe wears in TLJ are the same pants he wears on Jakku in TFA.

So I spent some time combing through TFA footage for a Poe Dameron butt shot. For, most of the scenes in which he is wearing those pants the Jacket covers his butt.

But,

Here is well lit shot that clearly indicates that there are no pockets on the back of the trousers.



Here is another



Hopefully, this helps provide some clarity and guidance
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a scene in TLJ where Poe bends over to see outside the escape pod and there, you can see the butt area clearly. The clip is not released yet so I’ve only seen in the theater and illegal captures but I’m sure there are no pockets there. We should just wait until it is officially released....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you! Do you know if there is a clear shot of the back of the jacket?

crema wrote:
There is a scene in TLJ where Poe bends over to see outside the escape pod and there, you can see the butt area clearly. The clip is not released yet so I’ve only seen in the theater and illegal captures but I’m sure there are no pockets there. We should just wait until it is officially released....
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much to everyone for all of the great research you are doing...
I am sure it has been taking you all a lot of time...

I can see the end in sight and I think we can put together a standard for voting very soon...

it has been my feeling all along that there were no pockets in the back...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread was in the back of my mind while watching TLJ again today, LOL. Razz There seemed to be a pretty clear, lit view of most of the back of Poe's jacket on Crait right after Leia's "What are you looking at me for?" bit. I don't remember seam details offhand, but maybe this will help someone going into a rewatch?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello. These should help The seam is very interesting in the back it doesnt seem to go all the way up and has a stopper.






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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10. The back of the jacket has a center seam and two seams curving from under the arms to the bottom of the jacket with double rows of topstitching on each


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10. The back of the jacket has a center seam that ends at the shoulder blades and two seams curving from under the arms to the bottom of the jacket with double rows of topstitching on each
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