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Kievan Mereel (Sam Coulson)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update for this week shows a guy in the UK that has done a Rebel Fleet Assault trooper. Not Rebel Legion but cool nonetheless.

https://twitter.com/JokerSquadUK/status/978732044103634944

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw a photo of him on Facebook and thought it was pretty cool. I hope that we will see more Battlefront 2 costumes in the future.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update for this week is more info on the Specialist NT-242 rifle, the highest-tier Rebellion sniper weapon. It's based heavily on the Barrett M82, and I've seen some low-priced toy water-gel versions showing up on the internet that might do nicely.

NT-282


Barrett M82


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kievan Mereel wrote:
The game finally dropped in price to something I'm willing to pay, so I own the game now and can capture my own screenshots, so hopefully they're a bit better than the ones grabbed off of YouTube previously. I'm going through and adding new images to my albums linked in the previous posts. Any changes to the costume descriptions will be noted.

Next up is the Rebel Desert Specialist. It bears similarities to the Battlefront I Desert Trooper female variant and some wording has been borrowed from that standard.




More pics in Flickr Album: https://flic.kr/s/aHskthrtdh


Rebel Desert Specialist

Headgear:
Brown cadet-style cap. Goggles (white frame with dark tint) worn on front of hat, and brown strapping. Cap has retaining loops in back for goggle strapping.

Shirt:
Tan/khaki jersey shirt with round collar.

Jacket:
Lightweight hooded jacket colored natural ecru. No visible fasteners or drawstrings. Jacket is worn open and tucked into pants. Elastic sleeve cuff spans from mid-forearm to wrist. Metallic greeblie worn on left breast.

Pants:
Medium brown BDU pants. External seams for front pockets. The side cargo pockets extend from just above the knee to the upper calf.

Gaiters:
Tan or ecru gaiters starting from the bridge of the foot, angling down on both sides in a curving arc and ending just above the heel in the back. The gaiter should cover most of the boot laces, continuing up past the boot top, to slightly below mid-calf.

Boots:
“Desert” style combat or hiking boots with lug soles and rubberized toe in a light tan/khaki color. – Zahal or Palladium (Israeli style) commando boots are preferred, and commercially available at this time Tan combat boots are authorized for people with size 13 or larger sized boots who cannot get the “Zahal,” Palladium or similar style boots in their size. Combat boots/work boots must have the rubberized toe and should have any side panels or details covered by the gaiter.

Gloves:
Brown full-finger leather gloves with Velcro wrist closure. Brown Endor-style communication device on left wrist.


Belts
Brown belt with dark rigger's buckle.
Cylindrical leather case on right hip.
Three leather-like square pouches on left hip.

Backpack
Brown canvas two-pocket rucksack with hose and greeblies.

Weapon:
DLT-20A
IQA-11
A280-CFE
NT-242




I watched some more Youtube clips. The cap of the specialist is not a regular cadet-style cap. It is more like a Scarif Trooper cap or Hoth Trooper cap that does not have the flap on the back.



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a link to a nice Youtube clip that is great for EA/Dice Battlefront 2 characters research. It gives us 360° walkarounds of the types of Rebel Troopers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=wfM3zMrAfDc&t=109s

Endor:
Assault 0:30 - 1:07
Heavy 1:07 - 1:38
Officer 1:38 - 2:14
Specialist 2:14 - 2:46

Mos Eisley
Assault 3:00 - 3:35
Heavy 3:36 - 4:18
Officer 4:18 - 4:57
Specialist 4:58 - 5:36

Death Star
Assault 5:55 - 6:24
Heavy 6:29 - 7:08
Officer 7:09 - 7:42
Specialist 7:43 - 8:18
Jump 8:19 - 8:58

Yavin IV
Assault 8:56 - 9:07
Heavy 9:08 - 9:33
Specialist 9:34 - 10:08
Wookie 10:07 - 10:40

Hoth
Assault 10:41 - 11:10
Heavy 11:11 - 11:42
Officer 11:43 - 12:13
Specialist 12:14 - 12:56
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great research as always, Patricia. I had noticed the front shield on the patrol caps, but not the rear panel. This reminds me of the "field caps" that are seen in a comic, which someone has recreated. See this thread:

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=672038#672038



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kievan Mereel wrote:
Great research as always, Patricia. I had noticed the front shield on the patrol caps, but not the rear panel. This reminds me of the "field caps" that are seen in a comic, which someone has recreated. See this thread:

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=672038#672038


Thank you for the compliment. I would not have gotten interested in this costume and the other Battlefront characters if not for your initial research on the topic.

Yes, the specialist cap does have similarities with the RFT field cap from the comic. In the comic, the panel does not reach the shield. The panel of Hoth/Scarif cap goes under the corners of the shield. The panel of the specialist cap comes all the way under the shield so that the end of it is not visible.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The DICE development team gave a presentation at Games Developers Conference in 2016 on how they've used photogrammetry to virtually "scan" screen-used artifacts into 3D models for the ultimate visual accuracy into Battlefront I.

https://80.lv/articles/achieving-the-authenticity-of-star-wars-battlefront-with-photogrammetry/

Here are images showing the Rebel Hoth hat, where we can see the "double crown" surrounding the sides and rear of the cap, with the rounded front as referenced in the comic earlier.








However I have discovered that the Rogue One caps are not exact replicas of the Hoth caps, which is something I suppose the fan vendors on our site are likely aware of. The "double crown" does not have a rounded front, but rather stretches all the way to be covered by the front "goggle shield."



This matches what we see in the Rogue One specific material, as well as all of our Specialist caps in Battlefront II.






So it is appropriate to say that the Rebel Specialist classes wear a modified Rogue One Pathfinder Marine soft cap with the quilted area removed, or at least tucked inside the cap so as not to be visible. Hoth caps are not accurate, as we can see the game designers could have used the Hoth model with the noticeable rounded front on the double crown, but did not.

I'm going to see if adding a shield and double crown to my existing patrol caps will give the correct look, but I worry that the bill isn't long enough to properly protrude from under the goggles.

The Resistance patrol caps are different as well, and unlikely could have the crown and double shield temporarily added to it. They are likely scanned from the Resistance fighters that are being discussed in other threads.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a great find, Sam. The article about the development of the game is very interesting and the photos are just awesome. I just played "survive on Sullust" this morning and it was interesting to read that the source for this planet was Iceland.

I really like the graphics of BF1. I played "survive in the Rebel camp on Tatooine" yesterday afternoon and just loved the scenery. I wished the Stormtroopers of each new wave did not show up so fast so that I could have more time for looking at things. I think have to play it again on the easiest setting and leave the last one alive so that I just can take another look.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I REALLY like this Specialist hat. I've been looking for an accurate rebel hat that I can wear casually on troops. When I'm trooping with the 501st, I can wear my Imperial Officer hat to get the right look: A nice hat to provide shade (and protect my shaved head from the sun!) that's not too hot to wear in the heat, and adds something more to my overall appearance than a simple ball cap with a cog on it would.

Thus far, trooping with RL, I've had to just use a baseball cap with the firebird on it.

This hat might provide a good option for RL troops, comparable to my Officer hat, and provide similar protection (without being too hot or too weird, as wearing the full shirted Hoth or R1 hats would be!).

I hope a design can be dialed in, and someone sell them, because I'd bet there's at least something of a market...
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kman wrote:
I REALLY like this Specialist hat. I've been looking for an accurate rebel hat that I can wear casually on troops. When I'm trooping with the 501st, I can wear my Imperial Officer hat to get the right look: A nice hat to provide shade (and protect my shaved head from the sun!) that's not too hot to wear in the heat, and adds something more to my overall appearance than a simple ball cap with a cog on it would.

Thus far, trooping with RL, I've had to just use a baseball cap with the firebird on it.

This hat might provide a good option for RL troops, comparable to my Officer hat, and provide similar protection (without being too hot or too weird, as wearing the full shirted Hoth or R1 hats would be!).

I hope a design can be dialed in, and someone sell them, because I'd bet there's at least something of a market...


I like the specialist cap very much too. Now that I have EA/Dice BF2 for my brand new XBOX One, aren't Christmas presents great, I was able to take some screencaps myself. Unfortunately, I do not have all sides yet because I missed some angles on my first try. I'm going to try to get the missing sides tomorrow.





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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are more screencaps of the specialist cap.




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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merry Christmas, Patricia! Those are great pics of the cap.

I want to retract part of what I said earlier about the Rogue One Pathfinder cap. I looked closer at some more screenshots, and I do think that the Rogue One double-crown does have a rounded corner right at and partially behind the front shield.




The Specialist cap unique to Battlefront II clearly shows that it does not have a rounded corner on the double crown, but that it wraps fully behind the goggle shield. We can tell from these in-game Star Card images showing the only instance of the Specialist wearing goggles over the eyes instead of stowed on the cap.



This is a tiny detail, and a patrol this morning of the approved costumes shows that some Rogue One troopers have the rounded corner (as is seen in all vendors I've found) and some do not have a visible corner and wrap fully behind the shield (which I'm guessing are homemade).

Which Pattern to Follow?
For those deciding to make the Specialist hat, the fully screen accurate way is to follow the game screenshots and have the double crown reach fully behind the front shield.

I previously suggested that the Specialist hat might be able to double as a Rogue One Rebel Marine hat, but here are the reasons why I think the Specialist hat is unique and would only likely be approvable without the rounded corner.

The reasons why you would consider using a rounded corner (and should not):
* Follow the "spirit" of the item, knowing it's derived from a Rogue One Rebel Marine
* Re-use the hat for a Rogue One Rebel Marine
* Use on a RFT as seen in the comic

The Spirit of the Item - (fanon vs evidence)
The Rebel Legion says that we must follow source references. This is a unique item to the game, and the changes made by the developers should be followed.

Reusing for Rogue One Marine - (impractical & inaccurate)
I suggested previously this could be done by folding under the quilted panels. I'd be interested to see someone do this and see what the fit would be like, the quilting seems to bulky to fit inside of the hat with your head.

As far as color matching, BFII Specialists have brown (Yavin, Desert), black (Rebel Fleet), and ivory (Hoth) hats.

Ivory initially seems a possibility as the color is close to Hoth and the Desert Heavy. However, Hoth won't work as Rogue One has two goggle retaining tabs in the back, whereas ESB has three. The Desert Heavy might work, but that is from Battlefront II, and I anticipate that it does not have rounded corners like the Specialist cap.

Rogue One Marines have tan and navy. There is only one instance of a brown hat in the Gillette commercial, and brown has not been officially included in the costume standard.

Rebel Fleet Trooper field caps - (comic inconsistencies)
The last reason would be to create the tan field hat for a Rebel Fleet Trooper as seen in the Star Wars: Empire: Princess...Warrior comic. This suffers from inconsistencies between the films, the game and the comic -- not just in the hat but in the rest of the costume, so much that it would necessitate its own costume standard. It definitely has the rounded corner on the double-crown, though it seems to have some sort of band underneath the double-crown. (Tan pants, button up shirt...) The Celebration scene ballcap is approvable, but personally I think this is more iconic and would be awesome informal wear.

Conclusion
So ultimately my advice to myself and others is that if you're going to create the Specialist cap, I would do it without the rounded double crown corner, and in the proper color -- as part of a Specialist costume. Using the cap in any other way would not be approvable -- but would be fun.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like the technician cap, but can't image wearing it in hot weather!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kievan Mereel wrote:

Conclusion
So ultimately my advice to myself and others is that if you're going to create the Specialist cap, I would do it without the rounded double crown corner, and in the proper color -- as part of a Specialist costume. Using the cap in any other way would not be approvable -- but would be fun.



You made a very good analysis, Sam. I agree with your conclusion. I think there are two ways to make the second crown. You can either make it a ring and have the seam disappear under the shield or make it similar to the Scarif Trooper version but have the ends meet in the center under the shield. I hope to make a mock-up of the specialist cap in February perhaps a little sooner if I can find the time.




Toda wrote:
I really like the technician cap, but can't image wearing it in hot weather!



I agree that wearing the cap in warm weather might be a little uncomfortable and hot because of all the different layers of fabric but other trooper headgear can also be hot in the summer.

I think, the correct term for the specialist’s cap is sniper cap and not a technician cap. EA/Dice uses the term specialist for their sniper class in Battlefront 2.
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