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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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FORMAL REQUIREMENTS – YOU MUST HAVE AT LEAST TWO
1. Food pellets (at least one set of four) Food pellets should be painted a metallic color and may be gold, silver, bronze, copper or pewter. Other metallic colors are not permitted.

2. Jedi Pouches: Two (or more) utility pouches or resin cast utility boxes. ( Leather or leather-like material or resin cast boxes, as seen in the Star Wars universe. )
a. The paint scheme on resin cast boxes should blend well with the overall costume.
b. Bags are not pouches, and are not permitted to serve as a pouch/box option.

3. Comlink on armoured forearm


Can we add to this list hooded capes and full cloaks?

Hooded capes:







Cloaks:






image showing obi-wan is wearing armour under cloak:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As promised I've been looking for more examples of tunic lengths, i beleive that the requirement for knee length or 'to the knee' is out dated as the later designs as the show went on had outer tunics that were mid-thigh and not knee length.....


good to see there are more than enough evidence for that.

another question, can the com-link pad be all white or it need to be black? I also see in some case there is no com-link pad, or did i missed it
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please take a look at the first side (new version) and the changes.
please take a look at every single point (outer tunic, inner tunic, belt, tabard, obi, etc...) and give me your comment.
if a point is finished i will colour it so we can see what parts we have to work with.


thank you for your research, your inspiration and your enthusiasm in this standard Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gone through the orange wordings, so nice to see the amount of the suggestion added into the Optional item, including a backpack, too. It makes this standard a very versatile one that encompass the individuality of different Jedi general over the many battlefield.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:
Please take a look at the first side (new version) and the changes.
please take a look at every single point (outer tunic, inner tunic, belt, tabard, obi, etc...) and give me your comment.
if a point is finished i will colour it so we can see what parts we have to work with.


thank you for your research, your inspiration and your enthusiasm in this standard Smile

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I'm happy to do this but first can we please get clarity on which sources are relevant?

The current costume standard is simply called 'Generic Jedi General (The Clone Wars)' and the example photos are all from the 2008-2014 show

So is it just this:



Or do examples from this count too:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel like the "Clone Wars" should be removed.
or are there only at clone wars generals?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:
I feel like the "Clone Wars" should be removed.
or are there only at clone wars generals?

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It's a question of semantics!

The Clone Wars can mean the in universe event in which the Republic went to war with the Separatists -or- it can mean either of the TV shows, 3 comic series, a video game.... it goes on

I do think we need to define what this standard should encompass, are we talking about:

- Armored Jedi from 'The Clone Wars@ TV Show that aired 2008-2014
- All armored Jedi from that era of Star Wars, ie. the in universe Clone Wars
- Any Jedi that was a General? In Ep3 there are Jedi Generals and none of them wear armor so we dont want to include this, do we?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm

what about:
"Armored Jedi Generals from the whole Star Wars Universe"

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:
hmm

what about:
"Armored Jedi Generals from the whole Star Wars Universe"

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That would then include these guys:



and this guy:



There are standards for this already right?

What about...

'Generic Armored Jedi General (Clone Wars Era)'
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kishometeora wrote:
Leroni wrote:
hmm

what about:
"Armored Jedi Generals from the whole Star Wars Universe"

yours
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That would then include these guys:



and this guy:



There are standards for this already right?

What about...

'Generic Armored Jedi General (Clone Wars Era)'


I agree that the "Clone wars" 2003 series should be removed in the interest of streamlining. May be word it like "Generic Armoured Jedi Generals (The Clone Wars 2008 series)?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MasterAdaar wrote:
kishometeora wrote:
Leroni wrote:
hmm

what about:
"Armored Jedi Generals from the whole Star Wars Universe"

yours
Leroni


That would then include these guys:



and this guy:



There are standards for this already right?

What about...

'Generic Armored Jedi General (Clone Wars Era)'


I agree that the "Clone wars" 2003 series should be removed in the interest of streamlining. May be word it like "Generic Armoured Jedi Generals (The Clone Wars 2008 series)?


My suggestion of 'Generic Armored Jedi General (Clone Wars Era)' was intended to have opposite effect and open the door to including 2003 material as reference (including comics etc from that project), Leroni is this what you intend?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am highly excited for this.

For the most part I would like to push for these suggestions on the revision of the Generic Jedi General:
-Forearm armor and back-hand plates (Like Clone Wars TV: Assorted Jedi Generals through the show)
Optional Armor:
-Mantle (Like Clone Wars TV: Anakin, Obi-Wan, Vos.)
-Shoulder Bell(s) (Like Clone Wars TV: Anakin, Obi-Wan, Vos.)
-Bicep (Like Clone Wars TV: Anakin, Obi-Wan)
-Shins & Knees (Like Clone Wars TV: Obi-Wan)


Then the requirement guides when wearing these:
-Forearm armor and the back-hand plates are the minimum requirements
-Any amount of optional armor maybe worn so long as they follow the armor requirement for each piece
-Must have dimension and give the feeling of thickness and depth
-Colors are white (Obi-wan, Plo Koon, Krell, etc.) or grayish silver (Anakins)
-All armor pieces picked must match together in color and weathering
-If weathered, it must be similar to color and style seen on the Clone Wars TV show
-Armor must attach securely with no straps or visible means of attachment
-If wearing shoulder bells, it must include the mantle
-Shoulder Bells must shaped like Anakin's, Obi-wan's or Clone Trooper phase 1
-If using Bicep armor, it is required to include the bells and mantle
-The back-hand plate is required with the forearm armor
-The Mantle maybe shaped like Anakin's or Obi-Wan's
-You may use these Armour pieces from the Jedi General specific variation or use Clone Phase I Armour pieces
-The Mantle pieces may all be one piece or articulated piece of armor, but may not overlap on top of each other.
-Armour must fit adequately to each individuals proportion and stature




Some points for consideration:

1)What would the Armour bits be made of? I was suggesting what the Mando Mercs and storm troopers in the 501st have used for materials for what these Armour pieces could be made from. These are good examples of professional pieces, armor making materials. ABS, Sintra/PVC foam, etc.

2)I used the best examples I could think of for the Armor in terms of Characters that people were familiar with. I am aware there are some examples in Legends following the Clone War TV style/era as well as other characters (ex: Vos also has at least one Bell shoulder). I tried to add these to the photos below however.

3)The Mantle in the Clone Wars, seems to allow stretch between each piece or rather shows that the mantle has articulating pieces. Similar to Clone trooper armor "Those plates were sealed to a black temperature control bodysuit via magnatomic gription panels." For Jedi however, instead of a bodysuit there would be a black/gray material under the armor in the shape of the mantle,sometimes black/gray material would include the shoulder bells as well. The mantle goes back to it's standard "mantle shape" where it doesn't show gaps in the armor pieces like when Obi-wan is relaxed or in non-exaggerated pose. Anyhow, this stretch could be allowed for the costume but it's risky due to cartoon physics. Conclusion, I would suggest to have the "un-stretched" mantle be the standard form and be required of the Mantle while the articulation bit optional.

4)Should Clone Trooper phase I Armour and the Jedi General specific variation both be acceptable or only the Jedi specific variations? (You can buy ether from KW Designs/Imperial Surplus, or so I have been told. So, I don't think it would be hard buy the variation pieces, mean the clone trooper phase I or the Jedi General variation of clone trooper I, instead of having to make them.) I think maybe ether could be allowed, passable, their is not much of a difference other a bit of the knee design.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Photos:
http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/?portfolio=quinlan-vos-tcw
http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/?portfolio=obi-wan-kenobi-the-clone-wars-season-1-2
http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/?portfolio=anakin-skywalker-tcw-season-1-2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/halfelven/Rebels%20screens/82307d425d9f70aeb4eb3a158c965d7b--jedi-sith-star-wars-celebration_zpsveuvrfok.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/halfelven/Rebels%20screens/JGPK_zpsc3ubdjnn.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/halfelven/Rebels%20screens/3037189729_1_3_JtJ9Pa4j_zpsvz2udiv5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/halfelven/Rebels%20screens/plokoonlostones2_zpsp1udyeuw%201_zpsofljwbbi.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/halfelven/Rebels%20screens/plokoonlostones_zpsuyp2rcdg%201_zps97tyzkll.png
The Lost Ones preview:
http://www.starwars.com/video/the-lost-one-preview

More armored Jedi Generals from the Clone Wars cartoon. Showing the following to support the suggestion of Jedi Generals having more then forearm armor at times.
Bultar Swim sports a custom armor Mantle here:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bultar_Swan/Legends#On_the_front_lines
Ki-Adi-Mundi Jedi Armor with Mantle:
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk267/droidsandewoks/PDVD_225.jpg
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/1/10/Grievous_attacks_Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg
Mace Windu with forearm armor and mantle:
http://drewsviews.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Powerful-move-of-Mace-Windu-against-Super-Battle-Droids.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/halfelven/Rebels%20screens/star-wars-clone-wars-cartoon-cartoon-network-110615-638x425_zpso2l6rzkf.jpg

With the RL Generic Jedi General, I want to request these other optional armors be available in the CRL it adds more customization to Generic Jedi Generals and it was an available option to the Jedi of the Clone Wars. These images, also support that Jedi had additional armor options then forearm armor.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wikipedia info about the armor:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_armor#During_the_Clone_Wars
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Phase_I_clone_trooper_armor
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Plastoid


Additional information about the Jedi armor like color, etc. could also be talked about this thread still, but I vote to move these basic pieces, "to allow more General armor pieces" options forward.
The following could also be looked at:
Plo Koon's Armour design and Quinlan Vos Armour, sleeveless design, arm wraps, designs on the Armour, color of the designs on Armour, thigh armor (Ploo Koon and Krell) , asymmetrical Armour designs, capes (which is already being talked about), old republic Jedi armor (which I think could be a new CRL idea), advanced colors like for the our generic Jedi, more acceptable logos and emblems on Armour. Also, the discussion of "Vests" over "tunics" verses Tabards (like Vos tabards and a few select other Jedi Generals) over Tunics.

Lastly, the requirement of forearm being a must could be revisited again to maybe not make it a "must" once the idea of sleeveless tunics, arm wraps and "unique arms" is talked about. Unique arms would include Anakin's mechanical arm or alien hands.


P.S.-
Sorry about my spelling and writing mistakes, any repeated points, etc. I was in a super hurry to finish this. -.-; I got kind of lost trying to type up all this info. >.< I know it's super huge, as I wanted to add as much info as I could to get this to pass but...
tl;dr here's some details and reasons for adding more armor options


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dune Mysthopper wrote:
I am highly excited for this.

For the most part I would like to push for the basic revision of the armor parts:
-Forearm armor and back-hand plates (Like Clone Wars TV: Assorted Jedi Generals through the show)
Optional Armor:
-Mantle (Like Clone Wars TV: Anakin, Obi-Wan, Vos.)
-Shoulder Bell(s) (Like Clone Wars TV: Anakin, Obi-Wan, Vos.)
-Bicep (Like Clone Wars TV: Anakin, Obi-Wan)
-Shins & Knees (Like Clone Wars TV: Anakin, Obi-Wan)

Requirement guides when wearing these:
-Forearm armor and the back-hand plates are the minimum requirements
-Any amount of optional armor maybe worn so long as they follow the armor requirement for each piece
-Must have dimension and give the feeling of thickness and depth
-Colors are white (Obi-wan, Plo Koon, Krell, etc.) or grayish silver (Anakins)
-All armor pieces picked must match together in color and weathering
-If weathered, it must be similar to color and style seen on the Clone Wars TV show
-Armor must attach securely with no straps or visible means of attachment
-If wearing shoulder bells, it must include the mantle
-Shoulder Bells must shaped like Anakin's, Obi-wan's or Clone Trooper phase 1
-If using Bicep armor, it is required to include the bells and mantle
-The back-hand plate is required with the forearm armor
-The Mantle maybe shaped like Anakin's or Obi-Wan's
-You may use these Armour pieces from the Jedi General specific variation or use Clone Phase I Armour pieces
-The Mantle pieces may all be one piece or articulated piece of armor, but may not overlap on top of each other.
-Armour must fit adequately to each individuals proportion and stature


At least these! At least adding this as Armor options.

Some points for consiteration:

1)What would the Armour bits be made of? I was suggesting what the Mando Mercs and storm troopers in the 501st have used for materials for what these Armour pieces could be made from. These are good examples of professional pieces, armor making materials. ABS, Sintra/PVC foam, etc.

2)I used the best examples I could think of for the Armor in terms of Characters that people were familiar with. I am aware there are some examples in Legends following the Clone War TV style/era as well as other characters (ex: Vos also has at least one Bell shoulder). I tried to add these to the photos below however.

3)The Mantle in the Clone Wars, seems to allow stretch between each piece or rather shows that the mantle has articulating pieces. Similar to Clone trooper armor "Those plates were sealed to a black temperature control bodysuit via magnatomic gription panels." However, instead of a bodysuit it would a black/gray piece the shape of the mantle and sometimes it would include the shoulder bells. The mantle goes back to it's standard "mantle shape" where it doesn't show gaps in the pieces like when Obi-wan is relaxed or in non-exaggerated pose. Anyhow, this stretch could be allowed for the costume but it's risky due to cartoon physics, ether way, I would suggest to have the "un-stretched" mantle be the standard and be required of the Mantle while the articulation bit optional.

4)Should Clone Trooper phase I Armour and the Jedi General specific variation both be acceptable or only the Jedi specific variations? (You can buy ether from KW Designs/Imperial Surplus, or so I have been told so I don't think it would be hard buy the variation pieces instead of having to make them.) I think maybe ether could be allowed, passable, their is not much of a difference other a bit of the knee design.


This great stuff, can i ask what your source is for Anakin wearing shin armour and bicep armour?

For the materials armour is made from, i'd suggest that as long as it looks the part its up to the costumer what they make it from?

Also for the handplates, Ima-gun Di in 2008 TCW and Voolvif Mon in 2003 CW both have forearm armour but no handplates


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