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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:19 am    Post subject: [Standard Revision] Generic Jedi General - Discussion Reply with quote

Hello,
as the Generic Jedi Standard is finished, its time to make a revision of the Generic Jedi General.
Welcome to the discussion Smile

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(changes will be made in orange)
(finished will be made in blue)
(reviewed will be made in black)
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New Version:

I. Soft Parts
OUTER TUNIC (OT):
• a. Sleeved.
- Tight: reach under the forearms armour / gauntlets (no long arm inner tunic needed).
- Wide: end above the ellbow (long arm inner tunic needed)
• b. OTs may be sleeveless as long as an Inner Tunic (IT) is worn and is long sleeved. No bare-armed Generic Jedi.
• c. OT’s should have a collar approximately 2 inches (5cm) wide.
• d. OTs overall length is minimum mid-thigh and may extend to the floor. O
• e. No Kimonos’s, karate/judo gi or gi like construction allowed.

INNER TUNIC (IT):
May be a full tunic or a false tunic (meaning a collar, neck portion and sleeves may be added to a shirt or t-shirt). Dickies or tunics/shirts with a Mandarin collar are allowed.
• a. If the OT is sleeveless, then an IT must be worn and must have long sleeves.
• b. Blouses and standard store bought turtlenecks may be used, but will not be considered ITs for the purposes of costume requirements.

TABARDS:
• Must extend at least to or past the bottom hem of the OT on the front. The back tabards may end under the obi or may extend to (or past) the bottom hem of the OT (or may be the same length as the front tabards). This guideline is obviously for the more traditional length OTs. For OTs that are longer (past the knee or to the floor or where a full length skirt is worn), the tabard length would be more variable.
• a. Tabard construction should be such that the front tabards do not overlap. This is often accomplished by constructing the tabards in a “Y” formation where any seam joining the tabard below the obi to the tabard above the obi is covered by the obi. Tabards may cross in the back. Tabards may be sewn together in the back.
• b. Scarf-style tabards, having an around-the-neck design, are permitted.
• c. A single front tabard, centrally located (covering the crotch area) is permitted.
• d. The end of the front tabard(s) may have a variable design (square, rounded, triangular, octagonal, etc.)
• e. Tabards may have borders and/or varying decorative symbols or other decorations (such as Aurebesh, etc.). The decorations/designs should not obviously be from an Earth-bound period or culture (Renaissance, Celtic, Asian, tribal, etc.)
• f. Leather or pleather tabards are permitted.
• g. Tabard width should generally be from the seam at the collar of the OT to the edge of the shoulder and be a similar width as the obi. A general width to use would be 5 inches to 6 inches wide (depending on one’s height and build). Common sense should be used in selecting Tabard width, and the width should be proportional to the costumer’s body.
• h. Kataginu are not permitted.

OBI (Sash):
• The obi wraps around the waist, and should be approximately three times the width of the belt and/or of a similar width as the tabards.
• a. Obi closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.
• b. Leather or pleather Obi are permitted.
• c. Obi may have borders.

PANTS OR SKIRT:
a. Pants should largely be non-descript without decoration. Traditional pants pockets are permitted, but must not be visible (e.g., hidden under the skirt of the OT).
b. No Cargo pants.
c. No hakamas.
d. Skirts (those separate from the OT) should be long enough so that no bare skin is visible, and may be floor length.
e. No Corellian Blood Stripes (Han Solo Pants).

JEDI BELT:
Black or Brown Utility Belt (all belts should be proportional to wearer):
* Style A: Similar to Prequel Jedi belts: Wide leather main (inner, against the Obi) belt with a thinner secondary belt (outer) on top of the main belt, and a movie-style or similar buckle on the secondary belt.
a. Thinner secondary belt cannot be loose or “sag”.
b. Button studs should be used to help anchor the outer/thinner belt to the inner/wider belt. Generally, 8, eight button studs (screw posts or Chicago Screws, preferred) are used. Sam Browne button studs are permitted. The metal of the studs should match the metal of the buckle.
* Style B: Similar to Original Trilogy (Luke and Old Ben) belts: Singular wide leather belt with a rectangular, octagonal or oval unadorned buckle.
a. Belts are generally two inches to two and a half inches wide, but the width should be in proportion to the wearer. Very tall or large costumers may need a wider belt. Very short people may need a narrower belt.
b. Belt closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.
c. No Earth-bound buckles or buckles that obviously belong to an Earth-bound period, culture or to other sci-fi/fantasy genres.

BOOTS:
Brown or Black Boots – Leather or leather-like (no rubber boots).
a. Mid-calf, but not above the knee. (motorcycle boots, or “engineer” boots, ~ 14″) Extentions like seen in the movie are allowed).
b. No visible laces or outside zippers. When necessary, inside zippers are permitted.
c. Straps & shin-spats are allowed but not required (though can be used to cover laces and zippers).
d. Boots and belts should match (be of a complimentary color), i.e., black and black or brown and brown. No black/brown combinations.
e. Buckles are permitted, but should complement the boot and not detract from the overall look of the Jedi costume.
f. Low-heeled 1 – 1 1/2 inches maximum. Spike heels are not permitted.
g. Mini-Chaps (not above the knee) are allowed.
h. Lower leg armour (plastic) have to be combined with white clone boots.

LIGHTSABER:
(No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber). The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only). Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
a. Metal hilt lightsabers are preferred, though custom lightsabers constructed of other materials are permitted.
b. Blade colors accepted are: blue, green, yellow, orange, white and violet. No red, pink or black blades.
c. Double-blade sabers are allowed.

LIGHTSABER CLIP:
Covertec or similar style lightsaber clip OR a hook/clip for lightsaber on belt.
a. For the “hook/clip” type of lightsaber attachment, the lightsaber (itself) will likely have a D-ring (similar to the connection system for the armored Darth Vader and Old Ben lightsabers).

PERMITTED COLOURS:
for Outer Tunics, Inner Tunics, Tabards, Obi, Pants and Robes/Cloaks(capes): Earth tone colors, preferably shades of brown, gray, black and white. Other earth tones are allowed (greens, blues, yellows, violets and reds (where the reds are darker and in the burgundy family), but should be muted. No bright or loud (sharp) colors are allowed (examples would include: red, pink, neon green, etc.). Combinations of red and black are not allowed, as they are considered Sith colors.
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II. Hard Parts:

JEDI ARMOUR:
• Style 1) Clone-styled forearms armour (realistic or animated style). White only.
• Style 2) Clone-styled forearms armour (realistic or animated style). White only.
• Style 3) Clone wars-styled Jedi General forearms armour ( animated style). White only.
• Style 4) Heavy leather gauntlets.

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FORMAL REQUIREMENTS
FOOD CAPSULES:
Food pellets (at least one set of four) Food pellets should be painted a metallic color and may be gold, silver, bronze, copper or pewter. Other metallic colors are not permitted.

JEDI POUCHES:
Two (or more) utility pouches or resin cast utility boxes. ( Leather or leather-like material or resin cast boxes, as seen in the Star Wars universe. )
a. The paint scheme on resin cast boxes should blend well with the overall costume.
b. Bags are not pouches, and are not permitted to serve as a pouch/box option.[/color]

COMLINK
Comlink on armoured forearm

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Optional Requirements:


1. Painting: Republic logo on the lower arm armour, jedi order symbol, or any symbol. Any armour parts can either be shiny white (new look), be weathered or painted like seen on references.
(example: Obi-Wan, Plo Koon, Cin Drallig, Ima-Gun Di, Saesee Tiin, ....)

2. Armour Hand Plate attached to a black gloves- White only. Either animated or realistic clone style, but must be the correct one that fits with the style of the lower arm armour.

3. Lower leg armour- White only. Either animated or realistic clone style, but must be the correct one that fits with the style of the lower arm armour.

4. Upper chest armour in combination with shoulder bells - White only. Either animated or realistic clone style, but must be the correct one that fits with the style of the lower arm armour.

5. Jetpack

6. Clone Trooper Helmet . Either animated or realistic clone style, but must be the correct one that fits with the style of the lower arm armour.

7. Special jedi general neck/should armour (animated style)

8. Hooded capes or full jedi cloak like seen on references.



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to see shin armour is an option as well, white boots is quite a relieve for many having troubles on getting a long boot with hidden zipper. But is it gonna be compulsory?

Would it be good to include a bucket as option? For practical reason, I am sure there are many bespectacled Jedi less needs for contact lens. In terms of character lore, it does reflect the era of war and how Jedi viewed the clones with certain respect base on the teaching.

Interesting how the length of OT have relaxed as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

8. Jedi Armour – Required. This is the only permitted combination

Style 1) Animated AND REALISTIC Clone-styled armour. White only. Hand plates & Forearms, black gloves
Style 2) Heavy leather gauntlets
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here some pics as reference
1) realsitic style arm armour


2) Lower leg armour with white clone boots





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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lokrin wrote:
8. Jedi Armour – Required. This is the only permitted combination

Style 1) Animated AND REALISTIC Clone-styled armour. White only. Hand plates & Forearms, black gloves
Style 2) Heavy leather gauntlets


II. Hard Parts:
1. Jedi Armour – Required.
• Style 1) Clone-styled armour. White only.
Hand plates, Forearms, Shinarmour.

• Style 2) Heavy leather gauntlets, Handplates, Shinarmour

Yours
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:


II. Hard Parts:
1. Jedi Armour – Required.
• Style 1) Clone-styled armour. White only.
Hand plates, Forearms, Shinarmour.

• Style 2) Heavy leather gauntlets, Handplates, Shinarmour

Yours
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Is shin armour a new must-have item?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZlaAul wrote:
Leroni wrote:


II. Hard Parts:
1. Jedi Armour – Required.
• Style 1) Clone-styled armour. White only.
Hand plates, Forearms, Shinarmour.

• Style 2) Heavy leather gauntlets, Handplates, Shinarmour

Yours
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Is shin armour a new must-have item?


this is the beginn of a costume standard.
Everybody can write down his / her suggestions and we work together on the standard.

if we think it should NOT be a must have item, i can move it to the "Optional Items".
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:

this is the beginn of a costume standard.
Everybody can write down his / her suggestions and we work together on the standard.

if we think it should NOT be a must have item, i can move it to the "Optional Items".


will be nice to see it as optional, including a bucket that was worn at the very beginning of the CW animated series. there are so many variants of Jedi general gear over the course of the entire series
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:
ZlaAul wrote:
Leroni wrote:


II. Hard Parts:
1. Jedi Armour – Required.
• Style 1) Clone-styled armour. White only.
Hand plates, Forearms, Shinarmour.

• Style 2) Heavy leather gauntlets, Handplates, Shinarmour

Yours
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Is shin armour a new must-have item?


this is the beginn of a costume standard.
Everybody can write down his / her suggestions and we work together on the standard.

if we think it should NOT be a must have item, i can move it to the "Optional Items".


I think it should be moved to optional
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
II. Hard Parts:
1. Jedi Armour – Required.
• Style 1) Clone-styled armour. White only.
Hand plates, Forearms, Shinarmour.

• Style 2) Heavy leather gauntlets, Handplates, Shinarmour

2. Shoulder/chest and bicep armour reserved for face characters only (Obi-Wan, Anakin)


Can a case be made that multiple Jedi are seen wearing Shoulder/chest armour and it should be part of the generic standard? How many cases do their need to be?

Chest armour Anakin and Obi-wan wear is nearly identical save for neck seal and colour:



A similar piece is worn by Quinlan Vos:



And in the 2003 series, Mace Windu also has armour here, albeit different, but the show had a different stylization:



On a separate note, i think a case can be made for hand plates being optional, at least for aliens where traditional gloves are not possible:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lokrin wrote:

2) Lower leg armour with white clone boots



I dont think we can use toys are reference can we?
(If we can then there is evidence for Clone Trooper Helmets)

Also, i believe this is a custom figure, looks like the body is custom repaint of an Obi Wan action figure (the hole on the back was originally for a jet pack, again... if we can use toys as reference... jetpacks!!)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZlaAul wrote:

Interesting how the length of OT have relaxed as well.


I'm still looking for examples. but Cin Dralig appears to me to be an example of a shorter tunic on a General



As does Adi Galia, although she has other unique features such as the sleeves:



Equally we have the opposite with Eeth Koth, way past the knee:


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

- having a clone bucket as an optional item is a good idea!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As promised I've been looking for more examples of tunic lengths, i beleive that the requirement for knee length or 'to the knee' is out dated as the later designs as the show went on had outer tunics that were mid-thigh and not knee length

Here is a comparison:



And some examples I've gathered for both

Knee length outer tunics (primarily seasons 1 and 2 although not exclusively):



And shorter, most mid-thigh, outer tunics:



I havent see any examples shorter than this on armoured Jedi from the cgi Clone Wars show, unless anyone else has examples?

I also have a better example of Eeth Koth with the tunic to the ankles:



I'm not sure about this:

Quote:
a. If the OT is sleeveless, then an IT must be worn and must have long sleeves.


The only sleeveless armoured Jedi I've found so far is Quinlan Vos:



I'm also not sure about this:

Quote:
d. Skirts (those separate from the OT) should be long enough so that no bare skin is visible, and may be floor length.


I cant think of any examples of armoured Jedi with skirts
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For colours, Anakin has blue/navy in his robes, Quinlan Vos has a yellowish tint to his tabards but arguably its a brown shade, Plo Koon and Ima-Gun Di have a redish/burgundy to their robes but its subtle

Is this enough do we think to justify?:

Quote:
10. Permitted Colors
for Outer Tunics, Inner Tunics, Tabards, Obi, Pants and Robes/Cloaks(capes): Earth tone colors, preferably shades of brown, gray, black and white. Other earth tones are allowed (greens, blues, yellows, violets and reds (where the reds are darker and in the burgundy family), but should be muted. No bright or loud (sharp) colors are allowed (examples would include: red, pink, neon green, etc.). Combinations of red and black are not allowed, as they are considered Sith colors.












As much as i'd like to be allowed some more colour, i dont think there's enough evidence outside of Anakin for it
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