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Han Solo holsters: Anovos vs. Todd's Costumes comparison

 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:57 pm    Post subject: Han Solo holsters: Anovos vs. Todd's Costumes comparison Reply with quote

This started off in my Han Solo WIP thread (http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84729), but it occurred to me that more people may find it useful (and locate it easier) if the information is not buried in a WIP thread that probably gets limited traffic.

I suspect the number of people who have both the Todd's Costumes Han Solo rig, and the Anovos rig, is probably limited, so I feel this comparison may be helpful to those who are debating between these two belt setups, which are, I believe, the two most popular "high end" real leather Han Solo belt rigs sold on the retail market.

Note that both of these rigs were purchased by me, personally, through the vendor's normal website sales portals. I have no connection to either company other than as a customer, and I received no special discounts or special treatment from either company. All observations are my own personal observations, reached after directly viewing and actually handling the holsters that I was shipped. If either vendor has made changes to their holsters before or after I ordered and received mine, and you're disappointed in some way, I can't help you out beyond saying "Well, this is what they shipped to ME."

So here is the comparison between Todd's Costume's Han Solo holster, and the Anovos Han Solo holster.

Note: The ANH greeblies you'll see are mine, and are NOT the ones that came with the Anovos belt. I will do a detailed comparison of the greeblies as well, once the main belt comparison is done. (I need to take more photos of the Anovos stuff, which I have not yet opened.) The droid callers pictured, however, are both the Anovos droid caller. One I already owned from some time ago, and the second came with the Anovos belt kit.

Now. Just to start off with a reference shot, here are the product photos by the manufacturers themselves (Todd's Costumes and Anovos). Note that BOTH vendors appear to have used prototype setups for their product shots, because the shipping products have noticeably different coloring (and weathering, in the case of Anovos):

Todd's Costumes: (the shipping holster is much more reddish)


Anovos: (the shipping holster is actually LESS red and has much more subtle weathering, and ironically, this color is somewhat close to the shipping color of Todd's!)


Some Initial Impressions:

Anovos certainly wins big on the packaging, for those who are into that. They have done a very nice job, as I'd expect from them by now. Todd's belt pretty much came in a big brown box (I did not bother to photograph it). This does not make a lick of difference once you're wearing the belts, obviously.





The Anovos weathering is not as extensive as pictured on the website prototype photos, but it's definitely nice. I'll likely copy some of what they did to my Todd's belt, which is pretty new looking by comparison. Simply from a "5 foot away" visual standpoint, I'd give the nod to Anovos, at least in terms of out-of-box appearance.

The Anovos buckles are very nice, but not nicer than Todd's: Pretty much a draw, visually. BUT the Anovos belt is much more adjustable, in terms of sizing (due to extra hidden snaps on the inside of the belt), and the front/back buckles can be swapped very easily (unlike Todd's), to reconfigure for a particular movie.

The "hook" hardware, on the other hand, for the holster drop panel is MUCH nicer (beefier) on Todd's than Anovos. The Anovos actually seems thin and flimsy by comparison. I feel like I could accidentally bend the Anovos hooks and the metal almost feels sharp. Notsomuch for Todd's nice solid ones. Photos below.

I don't know whether the leather on Todd's belt is simply better quality, or simply less "dried out" (maybe some leather conditioner can help?), but the Todd's Costumes belt and holster definitely feels thicker, more supple, and again, less dried out. Particularly the belt pouches. The Anovos pouches are really thin, and seem almost like they're a bit at risk of tearing.

Just to reiterate, for those who aren't as familiar with these, here's how you can tell which is which in MY photos below, of the actual shipping models: The Anovos has noticeable weathering, and is much more brown/tan, compared to the noticeably more reddish coloration of Todd's leather finish. (to which I have not yet added any weathering) For the record, I requested an ESB belt configuration from Todd. In these photos, I have swapped the buckles in favor of an ANH buckle layout (more on that later), just because that's the costume I was working on first.

Enough blather. Onto my side-by-side comparison photos:

Left belt (wearer's perspective). Note the difference in weathering, slightly different shape to the button pockets, and wildly different placement of the droid caller mount. I believe the Anovos placement is closer to screen accurate, FWIW, although I could slide the droid caller forward a bit more to minimize this. From a "wearability" perspective, the end hardware is flipped: The Todd's clip is open towards the front (reach the end behind the buckle, hook the loop, and done). The Anovos clip is open towards the body, so some contortions are required to get the clip in position to hook the loop behind the buckle. This definitely makes the Todd's belt MUCH easier to clip on. Hard to explain, but really obvious as you're trying to put the damn thing on. Both are fine once you're wearing them, however.





Right Belt (wearer's perspective). These two are much closer, although there are still some differences. The Anovos pockets are spread out a bit more, and end much closer to the disc as a result. The Anovos disc is a bit taller than the Todd's disc (ANH style?). The 4th (usually unused) pockets have a bit different shapes to each other. Not really easy to see in photos is how incredibly thin the Anovos pockets are, and how dry and papery the leather pockets feel. I really worried about tearing them, just by putting in the greeblies! The thread used to stitch on the pockets is pretty white on the Todd's, but a bit of colored weathering would knock that down nicely.







The thinner pocket leather is visible here ... but much more dramatically different in "feel" than the appearance would suggest:



Here's the back of the same right side belt, showing the stitching. Quite similar, overall, despite the minor differences. The buckles are nearly identical, although the hoop size is a little tighter on the Todd's, especially on the front buckle, which is why it's a struggle to swap configurations. (not impossible, exactly, but still. More on that later.) Also note the extra rows of male snaps on the back of the Anovos belt. This allows more size customization, unlike Todd's. Less screen accurate, but very nice, and not visible while wearing.



Holsters: The two holsters are pretty close, but again, there are differences. The blaster cutout has a subtle difference that affects how some blasters fit into the holster. And the retention strap is mounted in a slightly different place, which affects how it lays across the blaster. The difference in weathering is quite obvious here. Todd's holster is slightly more squared off where it runs from the barrel down the front to under the magazine compartment... I think it's a little wider. This might affect the fit of some blasters.



The holster back is quite similar, again, although you can see the cut of the Y drop is a little more generous on the Todd's belt. You can also see the extra snaps on the Anovos version, again, allowing for some extra size customization. You'll note the keyhole connector is quite similar on both. I haven't tried, but I have a strong suspicion that I could mix and match parts between the two, if I was inclined. (and if the leathers were a closer match)



Speaking of the connecting hardware: Above I mentioned how thin the metal connecting hardware is on the Anovos. This photo shows it pretty clearly. Again, though, the difference is much more dramatic to the hand than the eye. I'm sure both are plenty strong, but I feel the risk of accidentally bending the Anovos hardware is MUCH higher than the Todd's hardware.



The holster front cap: One difference worth pointing out: The cap (front plug?) on the tip of the Anovos holster is actually pretty bad. The Todd's cap is recessed as it should be. The Anovos cap sticks out entirely, showing the raw edge of the leather all the way around. This bugs me quite a bit, personally. Possibly my biggest complaint, given the price.



Blaster fit: My Denix-based ESB and AW airsoft ANH blasters both fit into either holster, although there is a slight difference in how the snap for the retention strap is pushed out.

ANH AW Airsoft in Todd's holster:



ESB Denix in Todd's holster:



ANH AW Airsoft in Anovos holster:



ESB Denix in Anovos holster: (note that front cap, ugh)



That'll do for now. When I have time, I'll add my belt greeblie photos and comparisons to this thread. (Note that Todd's Costumes does not sell any belt greeblies, but they are available elsewhere. Anovos supplies all three sets with their belt kits, which is pretty handy, although it's definitely already built into the price.)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello and those holsters look great!! I'd like to own either one.But my question;how wide are the main belts? I've done extensive searches and my own conclusion is around 2 inches am I right? Also how thick are the metal pieces;in millimeters?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marq76 wrote:
Hello and those holsters look great!! I'd like to own either one.But my question;how wide are the main belts? I've done extensive seaches and my own conclusion is around 2 inches am I right? Also how thick are the metal pieces;in millimeters?


Correct, the main belts are standard 2" belts.

Which metal pieces? The belt hooks are different from the buckles, of course.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great review! This will be invaluable for those deciding on a belt rig. I went with the Todd's because he has great quality but mostly the price which is half the Anovos'.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charybdis wrote:
Great review! This will be invaluable for those deciding on a belt rig. I went with the Todd's because he has great quality but mostly the price which is half the Anovos'.


To be fair, however, the price difference isn't always as big as it seems, at first glance.

The Droid caller and belt greeblies come with the Anovos belt. Quite nice quality, and the ESB is very accurate (ANH is reasonably accurate, and I haven't actually researched ROTJ but I'd bet it's pretty good too). If you were planning to buy a set of those anyway, particularly for more than one belt configuration, the Anovos belt catches up quick. ($30/set for the greeblies, and over $100 for the very nice metal droid caller) You can save a little on Etsy but not that much... and 3D printed just isn't as nice, and resin is extremely fragile.

If you were planning to go really cheap with a 3D printed droid caller, then the Anovos one isn't needed, but the only other metal droid caller is from dmachinist on TheRPF and those are $185, so the $115 Anovos version is a bargain by comparison. It seems a shame to me to spring for the high quality belt and then start sticking cheap accessories on it.

So $115 (caller) + 30 (greeblies) + 250 (belt) = $395, compared to the $500 Anovos kit, so there's only $105 difference in cost. And the extra shipping costs due to buying from multiple purchases (I'm not going to look up the shipping cost details right now) makes that even less.

And you end up with a belt that only does one movie configuration (Anovos buckles easily swap around, Todd's do not), isn't pre-weathered, and isn't as flexible in sizing adjustments (since Todd's is fixed size and doesn't have the extra adjustment snaps). Add another set of greeblies to do two movie configurations and you just lowered the difference further still.

All in all, if you want a high end setup, the cost difference between the two isn't very high.

I'm definitely not trying to talk you out of anything... I love my Todd's belt, and find very little fault with it. It's a well made, fine belt, and in some ways, as I've mentioned, it's even superior to the Anovos belt. (And in some ways, not as good) But to think there is a massive difference in price between the two isn't 100% true. It seems double at first glance, but once all the numbers are accounted for, the cost comparison narrows greatly.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great comparison, thank you! I have a Todds belt and it's great. I have been interested in the Anovos belt though, given the swappability of the buckles. I am definitely interested in your "more on that later" tease... I can remove my buckles but not swap them into ESB configuration. :-/
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khazara wrote:
Great comparison, thank you! I have a Todds belt and it's great. I have been interested in the Anovos belt though, given the swappability of the buckles. I am definitely interested in your "more on that later" tease... I can remove my buckles but not swap them into ESB configuration. :-/


Don't get too excited. Think more "ugly hack that gets the job done more or less" than "yay I solved it!".

My Todd's belt was purchased as ESB, and I figured a way to force it into ANH. (My intent had been to DIY my own ANH but I haven't had time so I got impatient.) So there's a slim possibility my hack will be less effective for you. But I'll post up what I did as soon as I have time to pull out t out and take some pics of the ugly underside.

I took some pics of the belt greeblies, so that's what I'm going to posting next. Perhaps later tonight, else I hope to have time tomorrow. THEN I'll get back to the buckles.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you are right. I forgot that the Anovos' comes with all the greeblies. In my case, I already had them all and I only do ANH Han so my decision to go with Todd's was easy, but this gives us all more options and for those of us who purchased a belt rig, that is a good thing!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kman..all of them.Both belts so I can compare them
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So let's talk about greeblies for a bit.

The Anovos belt comes with belt greeblies for all 3 OT films: ANH, ESB, ROTJ.

RETURN OF THE JEDI

I can't really speak to ROTJ, having never researched these greeblies or sought alternate sources, so I'll just post a few pics of that, to get it out of the way:





It appears to be pretty accurate to the screen-used greeblies, although clear photos are not really available, from what I've seen, so we'll have to take Anovos' word that this is accurate, for the parts that are not visible. Reference photo courtesy of PartsOfSW:



EMPIRE STRIKES BACK





The Anovos ESB is quite good. The hard-to-replicate 3-prong bit is nice, as is the odd lego-looking piece that has never been ID'd. I have an original Revell model part for the carburetor part, which is what they used on the real screen-used kits. The color of the Anovos is a lighter gray than the darker silver of the Revell part, both otherwise is clearly a perfect copy of the part.

All appears quite accurate, comparing to the screenshot of screen-used parts from PartsofSW (except I think the carburetor should be a bit darker):



The "mic connector" piece (as I think of it) with the three prongs is interesting. I think the prongs are just tubes wrapped over plastic studs, so they're probably not extremely robust. It's thicker than the soda cylinder in the ANH belt (I need to remember to post a side-by-side pic of this) so it'll be interesting figuring out if the two configurations can easily be swapped back and forth in the same belt, without stretching the leather loop to a problematic degree (so the smaller part is no longer held securely).

Not easy to see, but as mentioned, the metal prongs appear to be simple sleeves on a plastic base of some sort.


Everything has "Anovos" molded into it. A little annoying, but at least you can't see it when they're in the belt pockets, so not a huge issue.


The back of the carburetor part is a closed panel. Different from the original piece of course, and not a problem since it's not visible in the belt. But interesting.


As to the most important (IMO) carburetor part, here are took side-by-side shots compared to the actual Revell model part. As you can see, the color is definitely a bit different. Otherwise, the two parts are pretty darned close. (The Revell is more silver, the Anovos is more putty colored.) The differences are tiny, hidden in the pocket anyway, and essentially impossible to spot without a direct side-by-side comparison like this.











A NEW HOPE

Last but not least, the ANH parts, consisting of the two white belt boxes and "soda canister".





Very accurate, IMO, except for the soda canister's coloring and texture (More below), as seen in this reference photo:



As I wrote in my Han Solo WIP thread, I have machined aluminum white box from Solo's Hold, and actual vintage Soda King co2 canisters (the exact same sort that was used on screen):



It's interesting comparing the Solo's Hold white boxes to the Anovos ones. It would seem the Anovos is more accurate, but both look good in the belt pockets. The machined aluminum is certainly stronger and more robust than the plastic box Anovos used. I'll have to decide which I want to use.





I really dislike the Anovos "soda cylinder", however. The size is approximately correct, but it's sooooo bright and plasticy, and the color is wow bright. It'll do, particularly since it's not easy to get the real vintage canisters anymore, but I would strongly recommend anyone who uses them to at a minimum weather the heck out of them with some black paint, to knock down that vivid green.



And finally, both collections, side by side:


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a REALLY great breakdown of these two kits!! Thanks for taking the time to do this. I know it will be very helpful to many who are trying to decide between the two. They both look really nice for sure.

Interesting how much bigger the little white relay boxes from Solo's Hold are compared to the ANOVOS ones. Are there any issues with how they fit into the pockets?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaptSolo77 wrote:
This is a REALLY great breakdown of these two kits!! Thanks for taking the time to do this. I know it will be very helpful to many who are trying to decide between the two. They both look really nice for sure.

Interesting how much bigger the little white relay boxes from Solo's Hold are compared to the ANOVOS ones. Are there any issues with how they fit into the pockets?


Thanks! Yeah, a direct comparison is helpful, for sure. I was looking for something like this when I was trying to decide, so when I ended up with both, I figured I may as well put the info out there. Smile The good news is there's no wrong answer: They're both great kits. Which kit is best for which person can now be more easily determined, with the comparison.

Both white relay boxes fit nicely into the pockets of either belt. The Solo's Hold boxes stick out a little more at the top. The fit is a little tighter, too, but still, no issues with actually not fitting. Probably because they're thinner, even though they're a bit wider. Until Anovos released theirs, the Solo's Hold parts seemed to be the best you could get.

I don't have a photo of the Solo's Hold boxes in the Anovos belt from the front, but you can see pics of them in both belts here (Anovos only from the backside, but as you can see it's comparable):





Looking at the on-screen reference pic, it looks like the SH boxes sit a little higher in the belt than they should, but still tolerable, IMO. They could probably be cut down a little shorter by about 1/8" to nail the height, for someone who thought it was important enough. If SH was to do another run, I'd recommend they halve the height of the top panel (viewed from the front), and then the height would be pretty bang on.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khazara wrote:
Great comparison, thank you! I have a Todds belt and it's great. I have been interested in the Anovos belt though, given the swappability of the buckles. I am definitely interested in your "more on that later" tease... I can remove my buckles but not swap them into ESB configuration. :-/


As I wrote before, my Todd's belt was purchased in an ESB configuration. I think the Anovos belt coloration works best for ANH, by comparison, so I'm going to keep the new Anovos for ANH, and return my Todd's belt to it's stock ESB setup.

So to address your question: Here's the simply hack I used to swap the belt from ESB to ANH: Zip ties.

All of the parts fit tolerably well (some of them are pretty tight, but they DO fit) in the swapped setup EXCEPT for one, on the back buckle. On the all of the buckles, there are two metal hoops on the back for latching the main belt onto the buckle. But the buckle designated as "front" has a short/shallow hoop that's just barely big enough to latch with the metal hooks that are in front. The problem is the back of the belt has snaps installed, not those latches, and the snaps are too tall to thread through the short hoop (the longer hoop on the opposite end of the buckle is tall enough to thread the snaps through normally. So for that one connect, I literally jerry-rigged some zip ties to hold the belt in place.

Front buckle (ANH), which came to me as the back buckle for ESB. Note two even size hoops on the back, both are tall enough to thread the snaps through when used in the back. This part is no problem to bring to the front for ANH, since the belt hooks grab it easily. Note how the hooks are reversed, though. One hooks from the front; the other from the back.



And here's the money shot. This buckle was designed to go in front for ESB. So that one short hoop (on the left, designed for that alternate hook) is too short to loop the snaps through, if you move it to the back of the belt for an ANH configuration. A ziptie, however, does a nice job of replacing the regular hoop.







I used two smaller zip ties to make a longer one, as they were more flexible, but one longer one would do the job, as well. Or anything similar, frankly. I might work up something more rugged at some point, in case I need to modify the setup again, or just stick with the zip ties, since they're so easy and available.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Point of interest re the Anovos ESB greeblies with the Todd's Costumes belt: The third greeblie that looks vaguely Lego-like (which is entirely optional, since it's only seen once or twice in the films, and apparently was lost or forgotten in the other scenes)? It's a REALLY tight fit in the Todd's Costumes belt.

I noted the different pocket sizes in my greeblie post, a post or two back (photo copied below for ease of comparison). It turn out the Anovos belt fits that third piece MUCH better. I was able to cram it into the belt, but I was REALLY nervous I was going to start snapping off the bits that stick up, at the bottom of the greeblie, where it was cramming against the leather in the bottom of the pocket. It worked, but not comfortably. The leather shows some lighter spots where it's being stretched inside, too. It fits MUCH nicer in the Anovos belt pocket, as is pretty obvious from the photo.




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