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[New Standard] Generic Jedi Librarian - Discussion

 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:25 am    Post subject: [New Standard] Generic Jedi Librarian - Discussion Reply with quote

Hello,
its time to make a standard for Generic Jedi Librarian.

You are welcome to join the discussion.

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Outer Tunic
(when not used a dress)
• a. Sleeved. Sleeves should hang at least to the wrist when the arms are held down at the side.
• b. No Kimonos’s, karate/judo gi or gi like construction allowed.
• c. OTs may be sleeveless as long as an Inner Tunic (IT) is worn and is long sleeved. No bare-armed Generic Jedi.
• f. OT’s should have a collar approximately 2 inches (5cm) wide.
• g. OTs overall length may be variable and may extend to the floor. OT’s minimal length should be long enough to at least cover the wearer’s buttocks and crotch area completely. Mid thigh is preferred. OTs are generally made in a fashion where there is a full skirt (attached to the main body of the OT) where the seam is hidden by the obi.
• h. OT´s minimum length must cover crotch and buttocks, when weared Pants.

Dress: (like seen at Atris)
- like OT´s. Have to be floor length.
- When dress, no Skirt and Pants are needed.

Inner Tunic:
May be a full tunic or a false tunic (meaning a collar, neck portion and sleeves may be added to a shirt or t-shirt). Dickies or tunics/shirts with a Mandarin collar are allowed.
a. If the OT is sleeveless, then an IT must be worn and must have long sleeves.
b. Blouses and standard store bought turtlenecks may be used, but will not be considered ITs for the purposes of costume requirements.

Pants or Skirts:
a. Pants should largely be non-descript without decoration. Traditional pants pockets are permitted, but must not be visible (e.g., hidden under the skirt of the OT).
b. No Cargo pants.
c. No hakamas.
e. No Corellian Blood Stripes (Han Solo Pants).
d. Skirts (those separate from the OT) have to be floor length.

Tabards:
There have to be geometrical pattern on the tabards.
• Must extend at least to or past the bottom hem of the OT on the front. The back tabards may end under the obi or may extend to (or past) the bottom hem of the OT (or may be the same length as the front tabards). This guideline is obviously for the more traditional length OTs. For OTs that are longer (past the knee or to the floor or where a full length skirt is worn), the tabard length would be more variable.
• a. Tabard construction should be such that the front tabards do not overlap. This is often accomplished by constructing the tabards in a “Y” formation where any seam joining the tabard below the obi to the tabard above the obi is covered by the obi. Tabards may cross in the back. Tabards may be sewn together in the back.
• b. Scarf-style tabards, having an around-the-neck design, are permitted.
• c. A single front tabard, centrally located (covering the crotch area) is permitted.
• d. The end of the front tabard(s) may have a variable design (square, rounded, triangular, octagonal, etc.)
• f. Leather or pleather tabards are permitted.
• g. Tabard width should generally be from the seam at the collar of the OT to the edge of the shoulder and be a similar width as the obi. A general width to use would be 5 inches to 6 inches wide (depending on one’s height and build). Common sense should be used in selecting Tabard width, and the width should be proportional to the costumer’s body.
• h. Kataginu are not permitted.

Obi (Sash):
• The obi wraps around the waist, and should be approximately three times the width of the belt and/or of a similar width as the tabards.
• a. Obi closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.
• b. Leather or pleather Obi are permitted.
• c. Obi may have borders.

Boots or Shoes:
When wearing Skirt or Dress:
Boots or shoes have to be low heeled and closed-toed. Footwear is barely seen as skirt touches the ground.

When wearing Pants:
Brown or Black Boots – Leather or leather-like (no rubber boots).
a. Mid-calf, but not above the knee. (motorcycle boots, or “engineer” boots, ~ 14″) Extentions like seen in the movie are allowed).
b. No visible laces or outside zippers. When necessary, inside zippers are permitted.
c. Straps & shin-spats are allowed but not required (though can be used to cover laces and zippers).
d. Boots and belts should match (be of a complimentary color), i.e., black and black or brown and brown. No black/brown combinations.
e. Buckles are permitted, but should complement the boot and not detract from the overall look of the Jedi costume.
f. Low-heeled 1 – 1 1/2 inches maximum. Spike heels are not permitted.
g. Mini-Chaps (not above the knee) are allowed.

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Optional Items:
- Librarian Tools:
(like seen at Jocasta Nu)

- Jedi Robe or Cloak (Cape):
Large Jedi robe or cloak (cape) with attached over-sized hood, similar to Prequel movie canon robes/cloaks.
a. A hooded cape with side splits is permitted.
b. The hood should be large enough so that (1) when the hood is up, the sides of the hood drape to extend to or cover the shoulders and (2) when down, the tip of the hood should fall near the small of the back (or lower).
c. The sleeves should be full and flare larger on the hand end. When the hand end of the robe sleeve is closed, the length of the end of the sleeve should be at least half the length of the costumers arm (or longer). The circumference of the robe sleeve opening (at the hand) should be at least as long as the sleeve (from shoulder to the hem).
d. The overall body of the robe or cloak/cape should be full.
e. The length of the robe or cloak/cape should be hemmed no shorter than two inches off the floor.

- Lightsaber:
(No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber). The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only). Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
a. Metal hilt lightsabers are preferred, though custom lightsabers constructed of other materials are permitted.
b. Blade colors accepted are: blue, green, yellow, orange, white and violet. No red, pink or black blades.
c. Double-blade sabers are allowed.

- Pouches:
Big brown suede pouch on below the obi. Should be rounded and gathered with a thick cord at the top (drawstring type).
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps I'm missing something, but is there really a need for another form of generic Jedi standard? Surely the 'iconic' elements of the Jedi librarians like Jocasta and Atris (long dress, long geometric tabards) are already options available within the existing generic Jedi standards?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dangams wrote:
Perhaps I'm missing something, but is there really a need for another form of generic Jedi standard? Surely the 'iconic' elements of the Jedi librarians like Jocasta and Atris (long dress, long geometric tabards) are already options available within the existing generic Jedi standards?


Write down how you think a Generic Jedi Librarian standard should look like Smile

and ... yes a librarian is needed.

Every suggestion is welcome
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought we could never find enough references to make a generic standard specific to the librarians? Two jedi are not much to base a generic standard off.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if its good enough for Wookieepedia it should be good enough for us Smile

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_librarian

and i think it is important, because many people like to do a librarian.
it have to be an extra cs because its different to the generic jedi, and it helps the cj to control the costume.
and
it doesnt hurt anybody if there is a standard.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Wookieepedia kinda lacks information and, most importantly, visual references. We need to base our standards on actual references, not wishful thinking.

Now, I very much like the look of the librarians we know; Atris and Jocasta, and both of those are currently options if you want a jedi librarian. Most of what would go into a librarian standard is also covered by the generic jedi standard. As I see it the difference would basically have to do with the belt, right?

As for it not hurting anyone... well, if you can't produce the references, then yes, it will. It will give the judges new headaches, for one. There's nothing worse that having to judge something with a lack of references, and this only becomes more difficult when we are talking about a generic standard.
And for the legion as a whole it is not good if we start making standards that are not properly supported by references. Unfortunately we already have a few of those.

As said I very much love the jedi librarians, but I cannot support a generic standard if we do not have enough different references to base it on. That would be cruel to the judges and make us look bad overall.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you lora.

we dont have any hurry .. i will do research and work at the wording, if the research is positiv

yours
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile If there can be found more references that aren't just Atris and Jocasta, then it would be great.

I did look at Tionne, but her style doesn't match up with the other two and she is generally hard to find proper references of.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First: Thanks, Leroni, I really love the idea of a generic librarian standart!

The question of refs is valuable, however, I have to admit.
I also wonder, what exactly the point of the aformentioned standart is, as e.g. seen with Jocasta, her OT is not reaching her knuckles, but only the wrist and she as well as Atris do not wear a normal Jedi-belt (including covertec, pellets and pouches). So, should a "generic librarian-jedi standart" not exclude this items?
Right now, the only difference to the normal generic Jedi ist the pattern on the tabard and the optional librarian tools. A costume with the tabard-pattern is approvable under normal generic jedi, however, I'm not sure, if a normal jedi, that is not Jocasta can have the librarian tools.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bookworm wrote:

Right now, the only difference to the normal generic Jedi ist the pattern on the tabard and the optional librarian tools. A costume with the tabard-pattern is approvable under normal generic jedi, however, I'm not sure, if a normal jedi, that is not Jocasta can have the librarian tools.


sorry no:
next to the pattern on the tabbards, most important to me is that jedi librarians do not have a jedi belt - this can not be done as a genric jedi
atris did not have any tools

- because of this reason iw ould exclude the leather jedi belt form this cs......
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello everyone!

I am going to give this weekend more time for this Standard. If more time is needed, you can let me know.

Yours!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Smile

changed some things:

- length of the sleeves.
-removed: Jedi Belt / Food capsules / covertec / hair / pouches fixed on the belt.

yours
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