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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:33 pm    Post subject: Downtime Cafe Reply with quote

I figured us pilots deserved a place to just shoot the Bantha PooDoo, and what better place then here lol.

The only rules would be to keep it polite, and respectful.

You can discuss the fighters we'd be flying if this was real, the pilots who made those fighters famous or real world stuff.
Actual costuming discussion should be kept in the other threads though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, I'll start it off, lol

I was just watchign a show on the History Channel about 6 P-38 Fighters from WWII that were lost in Greenland back in 1942. They all made an emergency landing on the ice and were lost in the following years.

An expidition found the planes in 200 feet of ice and over time built a shaft down to the one of the planes, disassembled it, and rebuilt it. The plane then flew again, 40 years after Ditching.

Now to the point lol. Looking at the plane itself, and the set up of the cockpit, something dawned on me. Lucas used WWII as a basis for the fighter battles, and I know in the past we've discussed the inspirations for the various fighters. But the Y-Wing might just have been based on the P-38.

The P-38 was most famous for having the 2 tail booms and 2 engines. There was a cental cockpit. The Y-Wing also has 2 engines, set off on booms. The P-38 had 5 .50 Cal Machine guns mounted in the nose of the central cockpit modual. The Y-Wing has all it's weapons on the front of the fighter. 2 Nose blasters and the 2 Ion Cannons on the cockpit. Then there is the way the cockpit opens. Most fighters of the time had the canopy slide up and back over the cockpit. This also allowed the fighters to be able to fly with the canopies open. to an extent at least lol. The P-38 opened on a hinge at the side of the window assembly. it opened right to left. The Y-Wing also opens this way.

Then there is the fact that the plane was an older design, capable, but started to feel it's age. It didn't have the Range needed to escort bombers into Germany, but still did an amazing job during the War. (I believe the Ace with the Highest Kill count in the european Theatre flew a P-3Cool

I had always compaired the Y-Wing to the P-40 Warhawk, but it seems I had the wrong fighter lol

Just my theory.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hum, intresting idea...

Maybe, also if P-38 was more compact and balanced than Y-wing (that is exactily an inverted Y).
The two tails planes are really few in WWII history.

BTW, P-38 are old but reliable ones, few were in Europe and most in the NATO (North African Theatre of Operations), then MTO (Mediterranean Theatre of Operations), and not in the proper ETO (European TO), meaning everything above alps.
the two engine was a requirement for long flight over water, and were a problem of maneuvrability in close combat with one-engined fighers, so many were base in Tunisia, then Sicily, then Italy an patrolled over the entire sea hunting bombers, torpedo planes and reconnassiance big planes, leaving dogfight with nazi M-109 and Fockewulfs to P-47 and P-51.

P-38 were used also in Pacific, for same reason (other than Pacific TO receive less "modern" equipment as a rule).
A flight of P-38 shot down Yamamoto plane and escort, for example.

Some images of P38 and Y-wing, for comparison.
http://www.loisann.com/photos/p38.jpg
http://www.planesimulation.com/image003a.gif
http://www.blueharvest.net/images/scheme/sch-ywing.jpg
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've started reading the Rogue Squadron books so I can know who all these EU characters are. Better late than never. wink2
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yub yub, commander.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recommend the book The Black Sheep by Bruce Gamble.
Some reviews call it dry and some call parts of it slander against "Pappy". I didn't find it either. Even if it calls some realism to Pappy's version, I thought he still came out of it a hero. I'd rather have a realistic hero then a fabricated one anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The P-38 is wicked awesome, but how about the P-61? Those things were crazy.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

P61 Black Widow night fighter.
http://www.maam.org/p61/images/p61_rc_static.jpg - http://www.maam.org/p61/images/p61_rc_flyover.jpg
It was a heavy radar-bearing figher, even with a turret of machineguns rear the cockpit as the Y-wing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to be really into WWII aircraft. There's a museum here in SoCal called the Planes of Fame Museum, where they have a flying P-38, amonst a bunch of other rare aircraft. My favorite is the Japanese Zero, the museum has the only authentic flying Zero with it's original engine.

Anyway.. speaking of real world aircraft that inspired Star Wars vehicles.. you all must recognize this:

http://www.helis.com/h/mi24_2.jpg
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, take one Hind Helicopter, fill it with clones and ta-dah ... Republic Gunship!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw this pic today on wookiepedia:



I have never seen a pic of the Y-wing with all of its hull pieces attached. I thought it was pretty slick.

And those P38's and 61's are bada$$
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we ought to start painting some pinup art on our starfighters... wink2
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want this on my X-Wing:



I never get tired of seeing that graphic. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Puin Up Art is nice, but I want Sharks Teeth, and a pair of eyes, and then on the engine fronts I want a pair of clawed hands reaching for My target. So when I'm coming at you in a head to head, when you get into Visual range, all you see is this predator coming right at you, claws beared!

As for the P-61, it is a sweet fighter, but it was more then just the engine booms that made me make the compairison. It is close, the P-61 was definately in the same line of thinkign as the P-38.

I was never a fan of the Zero. Yes it was fast, and agile, but it's practically made of wood and canvas, no protection for the pilot. Once the US was able to put decent engines in it's pacific fighters (the move from Wild Cats to Helcats and from P-40s to Corsairs) The Zero became one big target. the .50 Cals chewed up the Zeros even as the American fighters that were armored absorbed the bigger caliber rounds coming from the Zero. THAT was the defining difference in air to air combat.

Well that and tactics, You'll never find a fighter the outshown it's ability more then the P-40 War Hawks and Tomahawks. Old at the outbreak of the war, in the hands of the Flying Tigers, they did things they never should have gotten away with.

it came down to the one saying that The CO of the Unit used to say. "If you Dogfight, you die. You force them to come to you, go head to head, you're fighter will take the beating, theirs will fall apart."

And on that note, if you have not watched the History Channel's Series called "Dogfights" do it now!!!! In fact, find it on DVD or something!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IndustrialSizeEd wrote:
I think we ought to start painting some pinup art on our starfighters... wink2


I'll get right on it.





......I think we need starfighters first tho
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