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Standards adjustment: Minimum OT length

 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:00 pm    Post subject: Standards adjustment: Minimum OT length Reply with quote

This is a pet peeve of mine. Many people buy jedi-robe.com costumes, and frankly they're a poor fit. Today I saw a new potential member in my mail, and he bought from there.

Now, despite my dislike of net-bought costumes, this isn't what this is about.

His outer tunic not even nearly covered his buttocks. Sorry, but that doesn't cut it for me. I would like to suggest that tunics get a minimum length set, wording to be decided by the judges.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Milori,
i understand your disaster Smile

yesterday i found an interesting post here in the forum, that explains a lot and gives a lot of arguments to you.

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56657

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have translated that article to dutch, and one of our belgium members translated to french. About 2 months ago I think, at least as soon as I became aware of it, because I agree with it

Didn't work.
Since hints don't work, I suggest it is made official
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there was a generic jedi cs rewrite, where the lenght of the tunic have to cover the buttocks, but the changes where not accepted and so it came never to get official.

I always tell my people if they show something critical to me and dont like to change: you can try to send it to the CJ but i think they dont accept it, because it is not like in the films, it is not authentic. if you like to do the work twice try it, but dont cry if you get back a: "declined".

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We get alot of Jedi Robe costumes come in from time to time, luckily most of Brittannia Templa members seem to research more before they buy but we always get an influx around halloween and just have to be honest and say it needs to match the standards...alot then don't return.

I posted on our uk forums Rogers original thread a while back and along with educating people about the lack of quality in JR jedi costumes its helped a great deal.
The problem i have with them, other than the fitting, is that fact the fabric is so thin!
Its unfortunate that we clear members with that quality of costume, but ive found that once they've trooped a few times alot of members compare theirs to other members and tend to start work on a better version.
As an aside we always encourage and welcome members with whatever quailty costume they've cleared with.

I know its a touchy subject but i do wonder if not approving any JR costumes should be a something we could consider? *hides*
Its the same as some Stormtrooper armour not being clearable with the 501st isn't it?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the jedi standards are a mess, the language is hard to decipher.

example: "The circumference of the robe sleeve opening (at the hand)..."

(wait.. whut? -- why not just say "cuff"? -- use one word, instead of ten?)


dunno

when it comes to OT length : the standards read explicitly:

"OTs overall length may be variable ..."

which tells us exactly the opposite of the intended meaning.

(it tells us : "OT length doesn't matter ; anything goes ; the length is an unknown variable")

dunno


^^ the biggest problem with the jedi standards : it tries to sound all "lawyer-like"; it uses STRANGE language; and this has resulted in a document that is easily misinterpreted.

"legal-ese" is not a real language.

all standards should be written in the Clearest Possible Terms,
using monosyllables if necessary, (to avoid misinterpretations).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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all standards should be written in the Clearest Possible Terms,
using monosyllables if necessary, (to avoid misinterpretations).


i'll agree with you on that!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cobalt-60 wrote:
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all standards should be written in the Clearest Possible Terms,
using monosyllables if necessary, (to avoid misinterpretations).


Ohhh yes i agree with you.
and the more better way is to take a look at translation sites if the word isnt so special that nobody can translate it.
I had many times the problem with the unclear sentences and very specific ("slang") words you cant translate. *g* and sentences that are so long that i have to splitt it into 5 sentences while translating Smile

maybe we should do the generic jedi rewrite step by step. not in one piece.

And i also agree to Mark, we also had people hanging around with us and have seen the quality of our costumes. The next step was that they asked how they can upgrade their costumes Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got an e-mail that a new member wasn't approved due to length, and they said "cover crotch and buttocks, preferably mid thigh". Make mid thigh the standard. Always long enough.

As for rewording and translating, I'm sure every base has at least one person with enough english skill that they can translate the standards without issue. Which parts are so unclear? (Though being dutch, english is almost my first language so I don't see anything wrong)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you wish we can make a simple vote on a specific change to the standards, such as:

"Minimum OT length: Past crotch and buttocks."
"OT must cover crotch and buttocks."
... or something similar. Mini changes has been done before with other standards and won't require discussion of the whole thing.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milori T'Bell wrote:

... I'm sure every base has at least one person with enough english skill that they can translate the standards without issue.


Sorry, but definitiv NO.

If i find the words again I can post them Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lora Skywalker wrote:
If you wish we can make a simple vote on a specific change to the standards, such as:

"Minimum OT length: Past crotch and buttocks."
"OT must cover crotch and buttocks."
... or something similar. Mini changes has been done before with other standards and won't require discussion of the whole thing.


Sounds good to me.
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