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[Standard Revision] Master Atris

 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:45 am    Post subject: [Standard Revision] Master Atris Reply with quote

Hello Everyone!

The Costume Standards Committee has proposed new modifications in Atris's Costume Standards

Author: Jedi-DWH - Lisa Curtis Saunders

Debate time: 2 weeks

End Date: 04/27/2016

In this thread all members of the Detachment can contribute their ideas, suggestions and modifications

ATRIS STANDARDS:

Current:

Required Items:
White hair in a bun
White Kimono dress in a slight sheen material
White full body length tabards with the geometric designs all over.
White Obi sash with the same geometric design on it.
Blue lightsaber
White boots

Proposed new standards:

Required Items:

White hair in a high bun, with tendrils of hair framing face.
White collarless sleeveless undertunic Sleeveless, white innertunic with round collar (simular like a T-Shirt)
White outer tunic and skirt. Other option: can be sewed like a dress, where tunic and skirt meet under the obi
Long white skirt
White boots with low heel (2" or less), in leather or non-shiny vinyl (any height, as they cannot be seen under skirt). Also can be of hunting calf and textile. They only have to be white
White tabards with geometric print in matte grey, waist-length in back and mid-calf length in front
White obi with matching geometric print, with large bow in back
Lightsaber (blue if bladed)

Optional items:

White eyebrows

Reference gallery: http://www.flickr.com/photos/39639089@N05/sets/72157629792906745/

Arguments for the changes:

KIMONO DRESS:

While it has been a popular choice for this costume, and managed to get codified into the standards, none of the references for this costume actually suggest it is a kimono dress. All of the art but for the computer model suggests an A-line skirt, and the reason the skirt is not fuller on the computer model is because computing power doesn't allow that kind of cloth to be rendered accurately in real time. But even the computer model does not have the telltale wrap detail down the front of the skirt. Furthermore, the tunic wraps extends too far to the right to be a part of a center-wrap dress. Therefore, I must conclude that the top is, in fact, a standard Jedi tunic tucked into a long white skirt.

SLIGHT SHEEN:

The art does not, to me, suggest a sheen of any kind, nor has any Jedi ever been known to wear satin. My guess is this was accepted as fact due to the nature of the difficulty of shading whites, and how often a strong white highlight indicates a reflection, but this does not hold true when your entire outfit is white to start with. I would go as far as to say this costume should always be made in a matte fabric, but I also realize pretty much every approved Atris is done in satin, because it became standard. The primary reason I think that should be gone, really, is that Jedi never wear satin, or anything remotely shiny. With a more ‘outside the box’ kind of character you could argue it, but with a stickler for the rules like Atris, I doubt she went out and got herself a shiny, shiny Jedi outfit.

UNDERTUNIC:

Present in all illustrations of her but one, and that one illustration has the wrong colors for the tabbards anyway. When the sleeves of the outer tunic are pushed up past her elbows, there is no visible undertunic sleeve, so I would say it's safe to say the undertunic has no sleeves. As it is present in almost every form of her, including the in-game model, this should be required.

BACK BOW:

There aren't a lot of views of the back, so I can see an argument for making this detail optional. However, there's no belt, and this costume has few enough construction-specific details, so why not get them all right?

GEOMETRIC PRINT IN GREY:

It's grey, not black. Always. Specified matte because once I bought silver fabric paint, not realizing how shiny it would be, and WHOA NELLY did it look awful in pictures. Take a look at my old Visas Marr costume (still on my profile, as I have yet to submit the redone version) to see why it's less than optimal.

BOOT HEIGHT:

Self explanatory. Nobody knows what height her boots are because we never see them, and I know the pain of finding flat white knee-high boots. Specifying material to conform with normal Jedi boot standards.

HAIR:

Small detail, but her bun is always shown as sitting quite high. Also, she is always shown with the framing locks of hair.

EYEBROWS:

It's another small detail, but she's Echani and has white eyebrows, just like her hair.

IMPORTANT NOTE: This change would only affect members who wants to make the costume in the future, so it wouldn't affect the current Atris costumers at all.

Best Regards!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:24 am    Post subject: Re: Standard Revision - Atris Reply with quote

The changes sound very nice to me. I always found the satin fabric ridiculous as well. But since some people dig the satin, how about the choice of matte or shiny being optional?

However, I would add to:
Oraculo wrote:
White collarless sleeveless undertunic

that it basically has the collar of a T-Shirt, because that is seen in the pictures.

And I have an additional picture for Atris' back, where the bow can be seen better:


Btw from where comes the information, that Atris is an Echani? Whookiepedia states, she is human, however she has white hair, eyebrows, pale skin and silver eyes. So she could be an Echani... However, I don't think, that silver eyes should be a requirement.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Standard Revision - Atris Reply with quote

Oraculo wrote:
.......
Proposed new standards:

Required Items:

White hair in a high bun, with tendrils of hair framing face.
White collarless sleeveless undertunic
White outer tunic
Long white skirt
White boots with low heel (2" or less), in leather or non-shiny vinyl (any height, as they cannot be seen under skirt)
White tabards with geometric print in matte grey, waist-length in back and mid-calf length in front
White obi with matching geometric print, with large bow in back
Lightsaber (blue if bladed)

Optional items:

White eyebrows

...



Why i think it IS a dress:
When you take a look at the movement pictures, you will see it have all characteristics like a dress.

When you make it a skirt and a tunic you will have the following problem:
- the tunic have to end under the Obi and will wrinkle.
- you have to fix tunic and skirt (like a dress, where tunic and skirt are in 1 piece) because when you lift your arms the tunic will slip out of the obi.

Boots:
There is no picture that shows the boots exact, so it could be any material. example: hunting calf, textile. They only have to be white.

Innertunic:
i agree with bookworm.
Quote:
that it basically has the collar of a T-Shirt, because that is seen in the pictures.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: Standard Revision - Atris Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:
Oraculo wrote:
.......
Proposed new standards:

Required Items:

White hair in a high bun, with tendrils of hair framing face.
White collarless sleeveless undertunic
White outer tunic
Long white skirt
White boots with low heel (2" or less), in leather or non-shiny vinyl (any height, as they cannot be seen under skirt)
White tabards with geometric print in matte grey, waist-length in back and mid-calf length in front
White obi with matching geometric print, with large bow in back
Lightsaber (blue if bladed)

Optional items:

White eyebrows

...



Why i think it IS a dress:
When you take a look at the movement pictures, you will see it have all characteristics like a dress.

When you make it a skirt and a tunic you will have the following problem:
- the tunic have to end under the Obi and will wrinkle.
- you have to fix tunic and skirt (like a dress, where tunic and skirt are in 1 piece) because when you lift your arms the tunic will slip out of the obi.

yours
Leroni


Will that actually be that important? Unless you tell someone no one will know if you sew the OT and the skirt to each other under the obi. What if you do a longer OT and stuff it in the skirt (line under the obi). So the OT won't slip out of the obi when lifting the arms, but it would not be a dress. I think, this won't need to be stated in the standarts because it does not have an influence on the outside look of the costume. There might be suggestions, though.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: Standard Revision - Atris Reply with quote

Bookworm wrote:
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Will that actually be that important? Unless you tell someone no one will know if you sew the OT and the skirt to each other under the obi. What if you do a longer OT and stuff it in the skirt (line under the obi). So the OT won't slip out of the obi when lifting the arms, but it would not be a dress. I think, this won't need to be stated in the standarts because it does not have an influence on the outside look of the costume. There might be suggestions, though.


There should be the possibility to make both variations.
Make it as ot & skirt, or make it like a dress.

and i think it is important.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: Standard Revision - Atris Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:
Bookworm wrote:
...

Will that actually be that important? Unless you tell someone no one will know if you sew the OT and the skirt to each other under the obi. What if you do a longer OT and stuff it in the skirt (line under the obi). So the OT won't slip out of the obi when lifting the arms, but it would not be a dress. I think, this won't need to be stated in the standarts because it does not have an influence on the outside look of the costume. There might be suggestions, though.


There should be the possibility to make both variations.
Make it as ot & skirt, or make it like a dress.

and i think it is important.

yours
Leroni


I agree to that, sounds great. Both versions in the standarts would be ideal.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have only skimmed the discussion, but I do have a reference album for this costume that might be helpful in the discussions.
http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/lcj/library/KOTOR/Atris?sort=3&page=1
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks great, thanks Lora!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the outer tunic should be optional between dress or tunic/skirt. Otherwise, great rewrite Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My main point in arguing for the tunic/skirt was to avoid the pitfalls of the kimono dress, which it clearly is not. If it's a fully skirted dress and you attach the top and the bottom, I think that should be absolutely fine. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JediDWH wrote:
My main point in arguing for the tunic/skirt was to avoid the pitfalls of the kimono dress, which it clearly is not. If it's a fully skirted dress and you attach the top and the bottom, I think that should be absolutely fine. Smile


I can get on board with this Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Modifications added. The time of the first stage ended.

Now the voting begins at the Detachment forum in this thread

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=863693#863693

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