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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

navarre1095 wrote:
Just curious, have you read this entire thread?


If I am the person you are asking, yes I have read it. I actually have read it a couple of times. If I understand this thread correctly the only way we could get aliens into R.A.I.D. is that a person picks an alien from EA/DICE Battlefront 1 or 2 and tries to make his or her costume look exactly the way it is in the game because that is one of the few sources where there are alien troopers. The process is similar to creating a face character from a movie. The article 2 of the Legion charter states that characters can come from Star Wars Films, games, comics and TV shows no matter if it is considered canon by Lucas Film or not.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:31 pm    Post subject: Aliens in R.A.I.D Reply with quote

Been following the Aliens in R.A.I.D thread and I was curious about the Rodian sniper. So basically its the human endor commando with a Rodian head, sniper rifle and hard backpack. If one was to do this build would it have to be exactly like in the battlefront game? Or could it have a soft pack or no pack or even an A280 rifle?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PArmstr wrote:
navarre1095 wrote:
Just curious, have you read this entire thread?


If I am the person you are asking, yes I have read it. I actually have read it a couple of times. If I understand this thread correctly the only way we could get aliens into R.A.I.D. is that a person picks an alien from EA/DICE Battlefront 1 or 2 and tries to make his or her costume look exactly the way it is in the game because that is one of the few sources where there are alien troopers. The process is similar to creating a face character from a movie. The article 2 of the Legion charter states that characters can come from Star Wars Films, games, comics and TV shows no matter if it is considered canon by Lucas Film or not.


Hi, both me and my girlfriend have been working on desert battlefront rebels, with the approved CRL, blue twilek for her and in my case is a rodian, and as in the CRL images and in the videogame I´m not using extra long fingers due the original character do not have them, only the tan working gloves. I think this is the correct approach, please, can you confirm it before launching application?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ezogul wrote:

Hi, both me and my girlfriend have been working on desert battlefront rebels, with the approved CRL, blue twilek for her and in my case is a rodian, and as in the CRL images and in the videogame I´m not using extra long fingers due the original character do not have them, only the tan working gloves. I think this is the correct approach, please, can you confirm it before launching application?



I am not a costume judge. I am just a regular member that would like to see more aliens in RAID. Due to that I do not know if all of my information is up to date/correct, but I will try to help you as good as I can.

The Article II: Costuming Standards of the Legions Charter says the following.

Costumes eligible for Rebel Legion membership, that do not have written/posted costume standards must include:
1. Two or more images, head to toe, showing the front and back of the costume being created OR a 360-degree head-to-toe turnaround of the character.
2. Additional images may be included to show detail of the costume being created.
3. Resource material may come from any LFL/Disney licensed sources for the character/costume being created.
4. Additional costume details may come from a detailed text-based description, but must have an accompanying visual reference to be considered for creating a Rebel Legion approved costume.
5. For video games: Player generated/edited costumes for game characters (those that are customizable) are not eligible for consideration for Rebel Legion membership.


http://www.rebellegion.com/legion-charter/

If you have enough references from the game and make an exact copy of the blue female Twi'lek desert trooper for your girlfriend and the Rodian for you, you should be able to get the costumes approved. I know that there is an approved blue female Twi'lek magma trooper and a human female magma trooper even though there is no CS for that costume.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Approved female twi'lek magma trooper:
http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/costume.php?mode=view&c=11768


Approved female human magma trooper:
http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/costume.php?mode=view&c=11766
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the double posting, connection issues.
As stated before, thx, due our version, has a CRL approved and after your comments I suppose we must do it with conventional human fingers, due the CRL( http://newsite.rebellegion.com/desert-trooper-battlefront-game/) only says that applicants with alien heads not allowing a helmet will be judged without it, but nothing about alien hands or fingers.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ezogul wrote:
Sorry for the double posting, connection issues.
As stated before, thx, due our version has a CRL version and after your commentsI suppose I must do it with conventional human fingers.


I think that is the case. All screencaps of the rodian desert trooper that I have seen so far show that he has human hands with gloves.





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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ezogul wrote:
Sorry for the double posting, connection issues.
As stated before, thx, due our version, has a CRL approved and after your comments I suppose we must do it with conventional human fingers, due the CRL( http://newsite.rebellegion.com/desert-trooper-battlefront-game/) only says that applicants with alien heads not allowing a helmet will be judged without it, but nothing about alien hands or fingers.


Yes, the CS only states "Also: alien masks with heads that do not allow for the headgear can be judged without it." but says nothing about an alien character having alien hands or not.

I really do not know what you should do. I know that generic alien characters should meet all criteria of the generic character's costume, such as jedi, pilot or trooper, as well as all criteria of the alien race that is used. The generic parts are judged by the judges for that costume and the alien parts are judged by the alien judges.

In case of a rodian you would usually have to use the long-fingered rodian hands. In case of a pilot, you might also have to make black gauntlet gloves in the shape of the correct alien hands.

Unfortunately, I do not know if it is the case with the EA Battlefront 1 rodian troopers because they do not have rodian hands in the game. They have human shaped hands and the type of glove that is mentioned under #6 in the CS.

6. Short, light-colored leather work gloves:
Gloves should be a light tan color. Weathering can be added to give the gloves a slight “yellow” color. Suede is not acceptable. Preferred is ball and strap design glove. Must be a smooth leather in a very light color.


I think you should contact the trooper judges and the alien judges so that you could ask them what type of hands you should use for your rodian desert trooper because the canon source material, such as the films, and the TV shows contradict the game.

Here is a link to the list of the current costume judges.
http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92747
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you,
I will take note of that info.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a look at Greedo from EA/Dice Battlefront this morning. He also has short fingers. So it is a fact that all rodians in BF have short fingers.

I even found cannon material that shows that Lucas Film cannot make up its mind if rodians should have long or short fingers. The original rodians in ANH and ROTJ had long fingers like Greedo, but in the Special Edition of ROTJ they added a male rodian musician and a female dancer that have short fingers.


Source: https://www.starwars.com/news/investigating-the-dangers-and-thrills-of-star-wars-battlefront-outer-rim





https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/battlefront/images/2/21/Greedo_and_Nunb.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160306033414


Greedo in ANH:
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/197/7-starwars4/full/star-wars4-movie-screencaps.com-5758.jpg?strip=all
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/197/7-starwars4/full/star-wars4-movie-screencaps.com-5770.jpg?strip=all


Other rodians in ANH:
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/197/7-starwars4/full/star-wars4-movie-screencaps.com-6095.jpg?strip=all
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/197/7-starwars4/full/star-wars4-movie-screencaps.com-6101.jpg?strip=all
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/197/7-starwars4/full/star-wars4-movie-screencaps.com-6246.jpg?strip=all
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/197/7-starwars4/full/star-wars4-movie-screencaps.com-6255.jpg?strip=all

Long-fingered rodians in ROTJ:
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/198/3-starwars6/full/star-wars6-movie-screencaps.com-1294.jpg?strip=all
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/198/3-starwars6/full/star-wars6-movie-screencaps.com-1453.jpg?strip=all
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/198/3-starwars6/full/star-wars6-movie-screencaps.com-1498.jpg?strip=all


Short-fingered rodian musician in ROTJ
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/198/3-starwars6/full/star-wars6-movie-screencaps.com-1316.jpg?strip=all
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/198/3-starwars6/full/star-wars6-movie-screencaps.com-1326.jpg?strip=all

Short-fingered rodian dancer in ROTJ
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/198/3-starwars6/full/star-wars6-movie-screencaps.com-1331.jpg?strip=all
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/198/3-starwars6/full/star-wars6-movie-screencaps.com-1361.jpg?strip=all
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/198/3-starwars6/full/star-wars6-movie-screencaps.com-1363.jpg?strip=all
https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/198/3-starwars6/full/star-wars6-movie-screencaps.com-1434.jpg?strip=all
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, that's been a real "rodian finger thing" investigation.
Now, at least, it is clear for me.

Thx again for your time.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ezogul wrote:
Wow, that's been a real "rodian finger thing" investigation.
Now, at least, it is clear for me.

Thx again for your time.


You are welcome. I love looking for stuff like this. The Star Wars universe is full of inconsistencies. Lucas Film could just not make up their mind about how they wanted their aliens to look like. Here is more proof for Rodians. In the original OT they had super long and thin fingers. In the PT they had short fingers, but longer than in the BF game. In The Clone Wars and Rebels TV show the Rodians had fingers that were longer than the PT but shorter than in the OT. It is just one big mess.

Greedo in The Clone Wars:
https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/open-uri20150608-27674-poyo07_f0a23918.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1280%2C557

Onaconda Farr and other Rodians in The Clone Wars:
https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/databank_rodian_01_169_f99ec4ae.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1560%2C878&width=768

Tseebo in Rebels:
https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/open-uri20150608-27674-1i5pnke_6f60d985.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1920%2C1080


Wald in Ep 1:
https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/databank_wald_01_169_d1cf2fdd.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1560%2C878&width=768

Rodians in the Senate in Ep1:
https://i1.wp.com/caps.pictures/199/9-starwars1/full/starwars1-movie-screencaps.com-10434.jpg?strip=all

Rodian in Ep2
https://i1.wp.com/caps.pictures/200/2-starwars2/full/starwars2-movie-screencaps.com-401.jpg?strip=all
https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/bail-organa-bio-2_868532be.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1280%2C720
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would think that that is enough research to satisfy the judges.

I would really like to see more done with these Battlefront costumes.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the reasons we only have a few generic alien troopers/technicians in RAID is that many people pick the wrong costume for their alien or the wrong alien for their costume. Unfortunately, every alien trooper/technician has to fulfill all requirements for the trooper/technician and the race/species they want to portray.

I took a look at the generic trooper/technician CS and put them in categories depending if they had optional or mandatory headgear and if they have to wear human gloves or not.

Then I took a look at different alien races and put them in categories depending on their ability to wear human boots, gloves, and headgear. This should help people to match up the best trooper/technician to a certain alien race. This is my first time trying to do something like this so there might be some mistakes with some of the items of my lists.


Different types of troopers/technicians

Troopers/technicians without headgear and without gloves
Yavin Operations Trooper (Rogue One)
Rebel Ground Crew


Troopers/technicians with optional headgear and without gloves
Signals Intelligence Technician (Rogue One)
Resistance Trooper (TFA)


Troopers/technicians with optional headgear but with mandatory gloves
Endor Gunner


Troopers/technicians without helmets for aliens but with mandatory gloves
Desert Trooper (Battlefront game)


Troopers/technicians with mandatory headgear and gloves
Rebel Vanguard (Battlefront game 2004)
Rebel Vanguard (Hasbro action figure)
Endor Commando/ Rebel Soldier/ Trooper
Hoth Hanger Technician (Ep V)
Hoth Hanger Trooper (Ep V)
Hoth Trench Trooper (Ep V)


Troopers/technicians with mandatory headgear but without gloves
Rebel Marine (Scarif)
Rebel Vanguard (Star Wars Commander: mobile game)
Rebel Fleet Trooper (Rogue One)
Yavin Honor Guard (Ep IV)
Yavin Hanger Technician (Ep IV)
Rebel Fleet Trooper (Ep IV)




Different alien races/species

Aliens with heads, feet, and hands similar to humans
Mirialan (e.g. Barris Offee, Luminara Unduli)
Pantoran (e.g.Ion Papanoida, Che Amanwe Papanoida, Chi Eekway Papanoida, Riyo Chuchi)
Umbaran (e.g. Sly Moore, Mee Deechi)
Zeltron (e.g. Lorica Demaris)
Chiss (e.g. Grand Admiral Thrawn)


Aliens with feet and hands similar to humans but different heads
Twi’lek (e.g. Aayla Secura, Hera Syndulla, Numa, Bib Fortuna, Cham Syndulla, Gobi Glie, Lyn Me, Oola, Beezer Fortuna)
Tholothian (e.g. Adi Gallia, Stass Allie)
Zabrak (e.g. Agen Kolar, Eeth Koth)
Balosar (e.g. Elan Sleazebaggano)
Lannik (e.g. Even Piell)
Kubaz (e.g. Garrindan)
Sullustan (wearing human gloves; e.g. Nien Nunb, Ten Numb)
Togruta (e.g. Shaak Ti, Ahsoka Tano)
Ugnaught (e.g. Yoxgit)
Askajian (e.g. Yarna)
Clawdite (e.g. Zam Wesell)
Mimbanese (there are no named Mimbanese yet)
Abednedo (wearing human gloves; e.g. C’ai Threnalli, Ello Asty)
Britarro (e.g. Nik Hepho)
Sabat (e.g. Leevan Tenza)
Klatooinian (e.g Barada)
Duros (wearing human gloves; e.g. Shriv Suurgav)
Pau’an (wearing human gloves; e.g. Grand Inquisitor)


Aliens with feet similar to humans but different heads and hands (skin color and shape)
Chagrian (e.g. Mas Amedda)
Mon Calamari (e.g. Admiral Ackbar, Admiral Raddus)
Weequay (when not wearing human gloves; e.g. Jiro, Hondo Ohnaka, Shahan Alama, Gwarm, Kiera Swan)
Vurk (e.g. Coleman Trebor)
Bith (e.g. Figrin D’an)
Rodian (OT; e.g. Greedo)
Rodian (PT; e.g. Dar Wac, Wald,
Rodian (TCW; e.g. Ganodi, Pablo, Onaconda Farr)
Cerean (e.g. Ki-Adi-Mundi)
Nautolan (e.g. Kit Fisto)
Neimoidian (e.g. Nute Gunray, Rune Haako
Koorivar (e.g. Passel Argente)
Pau’an (not wearing human gloves e.g. Tion Medon, Lampay Fay)
Kel Dor (e.g. Plo Koon)
Aqualish (e.g. Amda Wabo, Po Nudo)
Aqualish Aquala (e.g. Teak Sidbam)
Aqualish Quara (e.g. Ponda Baba)
Gran (ROTJ; e.g.Ree-Yees)
Iktotchi (e.g. Saesee Tiin)
Quarren (e.g. Tessek)
Devaronian (e.g. Citrako Vizago
Abednedo (not wearing human gloves; e.g. Ilco Munica, Slowen Lo, Brasmon Kee)
Tarsunt (e.g. Vober Dand)
Kyuzo (e.g. Embo)
Melitto (e.g. Sarco Plank)
Talpini (e.g. Weeteef Cyu-Bee)
Tognath (e.g. Edrio and Benthic Two Tubes)
Drabatan (e.g. Pao)
Iakaru (e.g. Bistan)
Selkath (e.g Mantu)
Snivvian (e.g. Geezum, Zutmore)
Ishi Tib (e.g. Shasa Tiel, Waks Trode)
Kajain’sa’Nikto also called red Nikto (e.g. Ima-Gun Di, Ma’kis’shaalas)
Kadas’sa’Nikto also called green Nikto (e.g. Klaatu, Neeku Vozo, J’oopi Shé)
Esral'sa'Nikto also called Mountain Nikto (e.g. Oplock)
Zygerrian (e.g. Atai Molec)
Falleen (e.g. Ziton Moj, Xomit Grunseit)
Duros (ANH, TCW e.g. Cade Bane )
Chandra-Fan (e.g. Kabe, Orka)
Gand (e.g. Zuckuss)
Muun (e.g. San Hill)
Shozer (e.g. Goss Toowers)
Urodel (e.g. Bollie Prindel)
Sullustan (not wearing human gloves; e.g. Mr. Borkus)
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