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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:24 pm    Post subject: A-Wing Box and B-Wing Box Builds Reply with quote

These are the two big projects I have been working on with my fellow pilots at Sunrider Base. All projects were modeled using a cad program, 3d printed, then molded and cast. We had a very difficult time with making sure they were the correct scale. Due to non-disclosure agreement pictures couldn't be put up on web or electronically and the reference picts had no scale. The issues remaining are.... 1. Routering the back of the B-wing box to make it a shell. 2. Repairing the A-Wing box (who would have thought that Krylon primer has sulfur in it). 3. Finish the last mold of the A-Wing Box. B-Wing and A-wing Greeblies are molded and cast.

It should be noted that the white A-wing box was cast to see if the mold would work. The mold was horrible (the silicon didn't cure due to the paint). The circuit board is cast with the silver circuit lines raised on the board. It is then painted and then gone over with a silver pen. The electronics are then epoxied onto the board.

Additionally, the greeblies on the B-Wing box are cast separately from the box and then will be epoxied on.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't wait to get my hands on these! Cool

These builds were based on pics taken by a Hazard pilot in the LFL Archive before the book came out. Sunrider has been working on them for a a while now to try to get them as close to perfect as possible ... and they're almost ready!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking pretty good there. The angles on the B-wing pilot chestbox aren't quite right (it has more slopes than that), but still a pretty good version. Smile

Just an FYI, I don't think that there is any particular set of greeblies for the chestbox. Looking through the book, it looks like the costume designers just glued on whatever they found laying around. Same for the helmets: no two helmets seem to have the same greeblies... Which makes duplicating those greeblies a real pain in the butt.

I'm curious, though... What did you use for the diode greeblie on the B-wing pilot chestbox?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both the book picts (scanned and shown in other posts) and the pictures we got show a vertical edge. The angles are correct.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pictures of the unfinished chestbox shows that the top edges come down in more of a slant. Not much, but it's there. I think different picture angles make things look different.

Don't think that I'm attacking you or anything of the sort, and I think that both chestboxes are looking very good, I'm just giving you my two cents. I've been studying every little detail of the B-wing pilot for years, and that's what I noticed, so I just mentioned it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I trust that you are not attacking me. I love the b-wing build as well. I have spent the last 6 months pouring over all the pictures I have seen and were allowed to see. The auction piece, the book piece and the photos of the three different chest boxes from LFL show vertical edges and three different sets of greeblies (which I am trying to model the version b and c boxes). I hope you understand that I am a bit sensitive with this and I will shut up now. You have done an amazing job with the helmets and I can only hope to come close to the job you have done.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paleosilex wrote:
I trust that you are not attacking me. I love the b-wing build as well. I have spent the last 6 months pouring over all the pictures I have seen and were allowed to see. The auction piece, the book piece and the photos of the three different chest boxes from LFL show vertical edges and three different sets of greeblies (which I am trying to model the version b and c boxes). I hope you understand that I am a bit sensitive with this and I will shut up now. You have done an amazing job with the helmets and I can only hope to come close to the job you have done.

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Heh heh, I got off easy with the helmets. It's a movie mold. Razz

The helmet greeblies... pfft. I'm going to make two, maybe three different sets, and if someone wants the other styles, they can make 'em. There's too many different styles for me make. x.x

The one thing that still stumps me about the B-wing pilot chestbox is whether or not the Ten Numb/Nien Nunb/Keyan Farlander version has a circular cut or not. Most chestboxes don't have it, though some do have a round greeblie there, but the Ten Numb picture definitely looks like it's cut, there's a shine on the upper edge... But it could also be paint, but I don't see why the costume designers would bother to paint a shine on it... Hmm...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...nice work, on both of them... Thumbs up

...what did you use for the silver centre bit on the a-wing box and what height are the ribs?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow,they looking very perfect to me! Where is the circuit board on the a-wing box comming from? Would you be over kits of them if they ready?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The helmet greeblies....
I noticed with the multiple pictures that indeed they cannibalized parts from other boxes and suits to put them together. Case in point, on one of the helmets they used the circular doodad from the awing vest (which I have modeled and am doing minor dimension adjustments).

As to ten numb's box.... Are you referring to the circular cut at the top? We didn't see any Picts of it. So I assume that since all the other boxes have it, it would as well. I may be very wrong but it's logical.

A-wing box....
The center silver piece is a circuit board with circuitry lines and resistors and such soldered in. I modeled the board based off of the close up pict I was able to sketch. The color is the Joann's acrylic mudstone. The electronic pieces are a mix of purchased items and stuff I took off of old electronics. The ribs are 0.5" high.

As to kits.... Yes I will be making kits. The greeblies are done and molded and I have multiple casts of both a-wing and B-wing greeblies. The a-wing box needs a small repair and then I'll be molding that. When I am satisfied with the quality I'll let everyone know. I am a perfectionist. B-wing box needs to be routered and then I'll make that kit available as well.

I will see about posting more pictures of what I've done when I get home from work.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I was referring to the black circle near the bottom of the Ten Numb box, next to the hose.


While there's no circular cut on the other chestboxes, the Ten/Nien/Keyan box black circle doesn't really look like it's just paint... For one, it's a perfect circle, which would be really hard to paint, and there seems to be a shine along the edges, which would only happen if the light was reflecting off of a cut edge... It could be paint but I can't see why the costume designers would go to all of the trouble to make highlights on it.

The same goes for the part on that chestbox where the blue rectangles are, in the dark long rectangle. Both of those parts also seem to be cut in-- while they could also be paint, there's a shine on the outer edge and a shadow along the inner edge. Again, I don't see why the costume designers would bother to paint on shadows and highlights, but I also don't know why they'd also go to all of the trouble of cutting out those parts. It's weird.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having seen three different boxes and greebly set ups, there are no cut outs except for the left edge, center channel, top right center and top right. Basically the depressions on the auction box are there. Everything else is paint. Although the slight groove along the left edge is there as well.

I think your talking about the black circle next to the hose. Yes? That has been a major pain. Even with the pictures we have seen, we can't ID it. I think it's a model part from a bomber. Maybe a turret. It is solid, round and has curved features on it. I have a basic 3d model of it, but nobody agrees on how correct it is. The shine you see is paint worn off showing a white plastic underneath.

Hope that helps.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I've seen the round greeblie you're talking about in some pictures. No clue what it is. I've been working on one myself but it's basically just guessing... I think some of the greeblies just have to be interpretation. Like the greeblie on the Ten/Nien/Keyan chestbox below the grey box, the silver geeblie with the black wire connected to it... I've seen some decent pictures of it though I have no clue what it is. I've been able to make a pretty good replica but what the actual item is is beyond me. Same for the round ear greeblie on the right side of the helmets... I've seen fantastic pictures of it but have no clue what the heck it is. It looks like some sort of computer hardware part but I've never seen anything like it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a picture of the greeblies. I'll post detailed pictures when the box is finished (molded and cast).



The top left is the greebly is what I think we are talking about. This printout is my best guess. There is a lot of discussion about this and no-body agrees. They say its wrong, but can't agree on what is right. Asked around and nobody has any idea.

Top right are the A-wing Greeblies. Bottom left are the b-wing greeblies minus the circuit board (haven't molded that one yet. soon). Bottom Right is my box of molded greeblies (both A-wing and B-wing).
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

very interested...A-Wing Pilot was one of those costumes that has been on my back burner for sometime...

I want to complete my Pilot set...
lol...
already have X-Wing, Snowspeeder, Naboo and Y-Wing pilots...
I have wanted to do the A-Wing...
but...
I never had any interest in the B Wing...so that is one Pilot I won't be doing...
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