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Schph Gochi (Phyllis Schulte)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well...I molded the piece I made and as I suspected....
since the mold material had been opened quite some time ago...it wasn't in prime condition. I have found that molding supplies don't have a very long shelf life...


anyway...

this is how it turned out...
the original piece..the mold...and the cast from the mold




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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What did you use to make the mold? What I use doesn't seem to come out that crisp...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fancy!

I wish we had a better reference on what those other little greeblies are on the vest Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue Banshee Leader wrote:
What did you use to make the mold? What I use doesn't seem to come out that crisp...


That is "Rebound" from "Smooth-on and can be found here:

http://www.smooth-on.com/Silicone-Rubber-an/c2_1115_1132/index.html

and it is cast in in
Smooth-Cast® 300 Series Bright White Liquid Plastic
found here:

http://www.smooth-on.com/Urethane-Plastic-a/c5_1120_1209/index.html

The site has extraordinary video tutorials...
like this one:

http://www.smooth-on.com/video_play.php?video_id=TgLKwMV7NbM&autoplay=1

I have used the OOMOO several times also...


Commander Cody wrote:


I wish we had a better reference on what those other little greeblies are on the vest Confused


amen to that...
and if you guys can't make it out...
I am really screwed as eyesight is my Achilles heel...the time is soon coming where my eyes will not be good enough to do a lot of this stuff...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, thanks for the information.

I gather you just pour the Rebound into a small container and press the piece to be copied into the liquid?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue Banshee Leader wrote:
Ah, thanks for the information.

I gather you just pour the Rebound into a small container and press the piece to be copied into the liquid?


no....it is a little more complicated than that....

I would watch the video link I gave you above...

item is glued down (I use a different procedure than they do-I use a decoupage glue thinly to the entire base of the piece and glue a piece of paper to the bottom...then place the piece w/paper attached into a box).

Then you use the sealer...
then the release agent....


and the mix is made - 1 to 1

If you are doing something with small details then you brush a couple thin layers on (see this video - http://www.smooth-on.com/video_play.php?video_id=ZCIO_2J1gF0&autoplay=1 )
first to capture the detail....

For the one I made above...I knew the mold material was old (as stated...the shelf life is not great) so I just mixed the A and B and poured it over the piece and tapped the box with the piece on the table to release bubbles.

Normally ...you get no bubbles in the mold
....but...again...old product...I did have a few bubbles in the mold....which then can be seen in the final product when cast.


Here are a couple more examples...

The Hoth Wrist Comm I made out of wood....sanded ....sanded...sanded...
and applied a coat of primer....made a mold and cast...





The one most of the Snowspeeder Pilots use is this one - also made from wood.....and as you can see....a couple attempts..:



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


yet another "rendition" of the belly pouch...

before adding fiberfill:





after some fiberfill:









and

playing around with a weathering technique:

I stitched together some of the sport nylon with the batting in between and a "pocket"....
and

watered down acrylic black paint and applied with a large brush and dabbed with paper towel...

this is what it looks like:




and...the final "Bendix" piece is in this photo...




I am letting the above dry to see what it looks like....
it should be lighter...




sigh....
where it looks better...the belly pouch still is not right...

but it is off for another mind numbing trip to Home Depot for a hose/tube and connector....

I hate going on seeking missions...I usually fail the first time out

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the information on the molding stuff!

Heh, I feel your pain about trying to find things. I've been looking for a few things for my Jedi outfit and can't find them anywhere. One thing I've been looking or is some long pieces of brown, or preferably red-brown, leather or pleather... Think I can find them? Nope. I've checked Tandy, I've checked places that sold ribbons, and just about everywhere else I can think of. The closest I've found is some thin ribbon that was labeled as "belting" that was pleather, and it would have been perfect if it weren't for the fact that the company only makes it in black, gold and silver. No brown. At all. Neutral

When I do the revisions to my B-wing pilot, which I'm planning to start soon, the hunting process will start all over again. I'm still looking for a decent material to use for the flak vest but so far I haven't found anything that seems even remotely similar to the description that was given a little while ago. And then there's finding a pair of coveralls that are actually red and not red-pink... >>;;
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My trip to Home Depot for hose for the flak vest was met with the usual frustration I get when hose shopping...I must have bought 5 different kinds of hoses when I was trying to find something for my Hoth hardpack...
too big
too small
too stiff

etc....
so...

Since the hose for this costume is covered in a white cloth sleeve, I went totally outside the box and bought 1" diameter rope and will use a pvc elbow...
When I make the sleeve for the "hose" I will add a layer of batting to add some bulk and hide the rope's texture....

Here is a picture of the "hose"...
also in the photo is the test panel for weathering after it dried...
and
also the back of the chest box as I am trying to remove some of the material to make it lighter...



I think the rope should work out ....
I am overall happy with the weathering technique
and
am still going to take out more material from the back of the chest box...

Back to the vest...
after looking at it for quite a while yesterday, I decided it was too long for me and also was not happy with the shape...so...that is in the process of a do-over..


I did finish the ejection harness....



Don't think I will have much time to work on it for the next week or so...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnd

look what snuck out of the old closet this morning...

wow...it has been awhile...lol...




The return of the Y-Wing Pilot project...
ugh....

I have a bad feeling about this...

I feel that if I don't finish this project this time around....it may never get done.

Acutally, I do have quite a bit done

the belt
the ejection harness
the gaiters
the flightsuit
the vest straps and back
and
most of the greeblies....


BUT


The vest is giving me nightmares....
too short
too long
too round
too square
too this
too that

I have taken it apart more times than I care to admit and it is now down to the belly pouch....


so ...
rather than dive right into the nightmare of the belly pouch attachment I decided to start smaller and finish the hose.

The hose might sound simple...
but I learned the hard way (Hoth and Endor hardpacks) that finding hose is a decent into hell. They end up to either too small or too large in diameter...but mostly...they end up too stiff.

Since the Y-Wing Pilot's hose is covered in a fabric sleeve I went with a really thick natural fiber rope...about 1 inch in diameter.


I then basted a sleeve of white cotton larger than the rope




turned the sleeve inside out (not an easy task btw)



and then pulled it over the rope (which I have an attaching elbow on already)




The rope is too long right now, but I am holding off trimming it to size till I get the vest done...




for now I just have it held on with a rubber band.

I think this "hose" will hang really nice and loose and not be so stiff and sticking out all over the place...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

couple hours later....

have the belly pouch formed and attached with pins for now..

layed out everything else to see if I like it or not before I begin actually attaching anything....


dunno
















and the weathering technique I am planning on using...

the infamous yellow square with the black wash while wet






and dry



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good! My two cents: a few pilots have been making their vests too big, so its good that you made it smaller. The top half is only about as big as an X-wing flak vest, only covering the chest, and the fanny pack only covering the stomach. As one can see in the pictures you printed, the pilot is wearing it loosely, but it still doesn't go much below the belt. That's confirmed in the picture from the making of Return of the Jedi book posted here:
http://www.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51769.
What you can also see is that the greeblies next to the hose do not go down the middle. They are on the right side of the vest (wearer's right). It only appears to go down the center in the picture you printed. This illusion is created by the fact that the pilot is standing at an angle, and the greeblies are raised. One, based on Skaught's eye-witness description, is a small radio device inside a pocket. The other is a smaller device attached to the outside of the pocket. What exactly they were is still not known, but here's what I did:
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IMG_2537 by Birgle38, on Flickr[/img]π
That said, yours is looking really good so far and it'll be great to see the finished product!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

to be honest....
I am still terribly confused...

I have been looking at this photo:





and zeroed in on the guy who is supposed to be a Y-Wing Pilot (I am assuming)





and I am finding some differences of greeblies...


though..
as you will note...

lol..

this guy has his gaiters on upside down...

also...
his ejection harness appears to be silver...
he perhaps picked up one of the X-Wing pilot ejection harnesses?


gotta love it..
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick a fork in it...

it's done!!



I got tired of the all of the indecision on this ...
and just laid it out and went for it...


Some of the "work in progress" steps on the vest....

the back:



starting the layout:



my weathering technique wet:


and dry:



Starting to attach some of the pieces...the chest box being heavy...I went with this approach:


I did try to remove some of the weight of the chest box by removing resin:





all pieces on:


finished product assembled and fully dry:




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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phyllis
Im impressed! this is a lot of work. I have rre-read the thread, and have taken note that vests are being made too large. This will be a summer project for me, once I get some proper grey coveralls made.

in the business we commonly call those connectors cannon plugs. Its a generic term assigned to twist lock connectors made to MIL-Spec by Bendix, Amphenol, DMC and other companies.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ELECTRIC-CANNON-PLUG-CONECTOR-P-N-FZCOK12S-51P-8-NEW-/161212483234?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item25890346a2&vxp=mtr
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