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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Furiafelina wrote:
Rob, what type of leather would you suggest for the neck of the shirt (not the cape) I supose it must be a thin type, doesn't it?


IF I can ... I would suggest pleather instead of leather Wink ...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweat will end up ruining the pleather in a flash. I would suggest real leather for the neck trims at least.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pleather in the right application is usefull for somethings, but in areas that will receive much wear I would try to use materials that are more natural.

Working with leather can be scary to say the least when working on collars and cuffs... just take your time.

Things to remember...

Draft patterns out of materials that share the same properties of the finished product. Using a muslin for drafting the collar may not be your best choice, because you will not get the same bulk and lay that you would with leather. I would actually try something like pleather(something cheap) when drafting the pattern.

Sew one one time! Leather unlike most fabrics do not like to be sewed over and over... get it right on the first time, or you will dammage the leather. Leather needles unlike fabric needles are razor sharp and actually cut into the leather... leaving an actual hole. This hole will not heal, and if you sew over and over... will create a perferation in the leather... causeing it to weaken and tear.

Do no reverse... For the same reason above... do not reverse your sewing machine when sewing leather... for you will not only create to many holes in the leather weakening it, you can actually cut into previous stitching with the shape leather needle... weakening the stitch, Instead sew straight thru at end and hand tie off any loose threads, or manually hand stitch them into previous holes.

Use a leather needles... here is where many people make a mistake. You can sew light weight leather on many machine, if you have the right needle and walking foot. Remember.. leather needles are designed to be much sharper than normal needles.

Stitch length... for the same reason mentioned above I would recommend a longer stitch to prevent perferation in the leather. If your stitches are to close you can weaken the leather.

Type of thread... like any job having the right tools will make sewing leather easier. Use the wrong thread and you will be misserable. Check with your local fabric store... show them what you want to sew and get their advice on the correct thread to use. in our house we tend to go with button threads for most leather projects.

Keep us in the loop with your progress... not often we get Lando's in our area!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoloYT1300 wrote:
The leather should flow like a fabric... not like holster hide which is stiff. For something like Lando I would recommend a pigskin IMO.


Bob


I don't thing I can get than around here Sad

Never worked with leather in my life either :-/
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Havok69 wrote:
It looks like he's wearing Beatles style boots:



like these:



Boots confirmed!! look here: http://misarchivosdestarwars.blogspot.com/2010/12/el-imperio-contraataca-billy-dee.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are some great pictures!

Lets make sure those pictures get into the archives guys!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm ... about boots ...

We can see that ...



original boots are much higher than those


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are the same basic style boot.... just a shorter shaft. I think the major part of the boot that needs to be looked at... is that part that will be seen.

The shape of the boot that is visable is spot on... not a fan if the elastic is seen, so that should be taken into consideration... but looks pretty good otherwise.

That would be a hard boot to replicate otherwise... we need options.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoloYT1300 wrote:
Those are the same basic style boot.... just a shorter shaft. I think the major part of the boot that needs to be looked at... is that part that will be seen.

The shape of the boot that is visable is spot on... not a fan if the elastic is seen, so that should be taken into consideration... but looks pretty good otherwise.

That would be a hard boot to replicate otherwise... we need options.

Bob



Maybe we should look to another standards in RL and take examples from that ...

There is lot of RL standards (Leia, Padme, etc.) where are tight specification about boots -> even those boots are not clearly seen in movies ...

No, we don't need options -> we need to do proper research and maintain unite vision of standards in RL ... because if we will not do that, we will end as in same place where we are now = same costume parts in differents standards with different requirements ...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you would deny a costume based on the fact this boots shaft is too short... when its never seen in the movies?

Think you are missing the other standards point Blair... those strict standards usually deal in boot heals, and stuff... no the shaft height if its not seen... IE under the pant leg.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoloYT1300 wrote:
So you would deny a costume based on the fact this boots shaft is too short... when its never seen in the movies?


Not question for me -> this is question for LCJ ...

SoloYT1300 wrote:
Think you are missing the other standards point Blair... those strict standards usually deal in boot heals, and stuff... no the shaft height if its not seen... IE under the pant leg.


Try to check this simple example:

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Leia Organa (Episode IV: A New Hope, Ceremonial Gown)

5. Silver shoes up to a 2” heel (recommended).


... so, you will deny a costume if shoes will be without heel ? ... even it is never seen in movie? Smile


Sorry, but I think, we should look on whole issue:

1. Leia: only "something silver" can be identify from movie => so why not specify one not directly seen element? Silver shoes up to a 2” heel ... standard requesting something which is not visible ...

2. Lando: we can see shape of boots, heel => so why not specify one not directly seen element?

... in this whole issue I see analogy ...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyway ... there is lot of option how to handle this "accurate boots info" ... for example:

describe boots in standard based on what we are able to directly see in movie ... and in columms what is recommended (what is not directly seen in movie) ... this is nice compromise ... BUT ... ignore this fact, how those boots should looks like on accurate costume is wrong ...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blair....

Your missing my point or did not get it thru translation...

I am saying the shaft is a bit lower but the boot is fine.

There is absolutly nothing wrong with that boot posted.

Using the Liea standard as you did... said nothing about the shaft height... only heal height.


I never said allow a boot without a heal... read first!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoloYT1300 wrote:
I am saying the shaft is a bit lower but the boot is fine.


Bit lower? Smile ... like I see it ... there is big difference -> almost like between mid-calf boots and knee high boots ...


SoloYT1300 wrote:
Using the Liea standard as you did... said nothing about the shaft height... only heal height.


I never said allow a boot without a heal... read first!

Bob


Robert, please, try read mine posts ... I am writing about principles ... so, in most simple way:

IF LEIA STANDARD REQUIRING SOMETHING (HEEL) WHAT IS NOT SEEN IN MOVIE AND CAN BE DEAL BREAKER, WHY IS BIG ISSUE IF LANDO STANDARD WILL BE REQUIRING ALSO SOMETHING (HOW BOOTS ARE HIGH) WHAT IS NOT SEEN IN MOVIE???

I hope, now it is clear ... in mine opinion requiring heels which are not seen IS same as requiring specific high of boots ...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do we want to start making standards based what is actual or what is movie accurate?

Because if we start down that road... Hans ESB Jacket is not blue its charcoal.

Hans Hoth Jacket is brown not blue...

Han wears a vintage sweat T under his ESB shirt

Hans ESB jacket is lined a specific color (Many in RL are not even lined)

Han's ESB Jacket Has sets of detailed stitching on both sleeves upper and lower pocket on sleves both arms.

How many belt loops are on Han's Pants.


My point is... if we start getting as picky as to say how high his boots go up his pant leg... then we have failed to realize the importance of movie accurate... its what is in the movie... not the actual costume itself.


Again with the Leia standards....

No one is saying that Lando should not have accurate heal hight... and even the Leia standards do not say anything about the shaft heigh for that standard... She is in a gown he is in slacks... yet you want him to have a height requirement?

That makes no sense Blair...


Loose the caps please...

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