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So It Begins (Senate Guard 'Plumed' Helmet)
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SongofAmazon (Jenna)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks amazing all put together!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eureka!

That's such a lovely word at times and rather appropriate in the saga that has been the plumed Senate Gurad helmet.

I have hunted high and low and tried just about everything (apart from the Cameron Diaz method Shocked ) to stiffen the horse hair used in the two plumes.
At last I came across the following fabric stiffener and tried it for the first time when I got in from work.



It has the consistency of watery porridge but brushes on very easily and gets into the fibers of all the hair and does'nt just "stick" the surface hair together. Once it was brushed on I just used a common hair comb to spread it more evenly through the crest and I cannot be happier with the result.

Here we are before applying the stiffener.



And a couple of shots of what the 'crest' looks like after being stiffened.





This stuff does'nt leave the hair looking as if a mad hairdresser went over the top with the 'ol hairspray and it leaves the hair looking very natural and glossy. It certainly does not leave the hair clumpy or sticky and still allows the hair to be easily trimmed with scissors.
The old sections of broken plume I have been using to experiment on have come in extremely handy and I am glad I did'nt bin them.

So!Not much of an update for this time but just thought you guys would like to see how things are going.

Got some "life" type stuff to get sorted out and a bit more work on the actual helmet to do yet but I am well chuffed at finding a product that is better than ideal for getting the two plumes stiffened up.

Hopefully not too long to go now!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain, that's awesome! I'm watching your progress with interest. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes! Please keep the pics coming. Looking great so far.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugger! Damn! S***!

What the frack is it with these little, itsy-bitsy, teensy-weensy pin holes that keep appearing??

Been trying to finish off the actual helmet prior to getting the plumes ready to be finished and I had sprayed the lid with the 'ol undercoat (so far!so good!) and about 10 little pin holes appeared in various places so I rubbed the areas down again (after applying some fiberglass resin to the offending spots) 'til the where as smooth as the proverbial and sprayed those areas again and bugger me if the frackin' little holes did'nt appear all over again! Confused

So!Your mission (if you decide to accept it) is to give moi any ideas as to how to finally get rid of those damn little, annoying pinholes.

Have gone back to the car filler E40 (I think that's what it's called) to see how that goes and will leave at least 24hrs but I am not crossing any fingers here.



Admittedly there are'nt as many now but they are still there and I am rapidly getting to the point where I am just going to "To Hell With It" and leave it as it is!

If I could just finish off the lid I would be happy and the final bit of work needed for the plumes can wiat 'til I'm off work at the end of the month.

But!Any suggestions would be gratefully appreciated! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slowly but surely getting there now.

Started work on getting the plumes into their final shapes once I applied some of that stiffener I showed in a previous post.

Plume no.1 ended up a bit of a distaster as I put the stiffener on straight from the bottle and this stuff sets like concrete in minutes and of course I applied it along the length of the plume so by the time I got to one end the other had set solid and was a total b***h to comb through so that one had to be washed and is currently air drying in the garage waitng on moi to try again tomorrow (but it's double XP on COD Black Ops II so it may wait 'til Monday).

Anyhoo!Before I waffle on too much I got the second plume and put the stiffener on after watering it down with water first and doing it a couple of inches at a time a combing it through before it set.

Because the plumes where all floppy to start with I had a wee brain wave and that was to hang the lid upside down at first so all the hair stood on end. This worked pretty well to give the plume its initial cut and shape and the next part of the master plan was to take the plume off and apply more stiffener which I did later on.




So far!So good sez you!

Not quite sez I.
I really should have seen this coming but as I was taking the helmet off the cords holding it upside down (c'mon guess what happened next!!) it of course slipped, fell onto the floor and cracked the left side of the crest. Not too badly to be sure but I was'nt a happy bunny. Just applied some good 'ol superglue along the crack and when that had dried I just applied some fiberglass to the area and that will get sanded back at some point soon. Not really a disaster but one I could well do without at this stage.

I did forsee one wee prob in that due to the curve of the crest the hair would not want to follow that curve naturally and leave gaps between each tuft which is exactly what happened, but thankfully I had saved all the old tufts from the previous plume attempts and they filled the gaps in perfectly.

Once that was all sorted and I was reasonably happy with life, the universe and so on I went over the plume again with the stiffener but this time straight from the bottle and again a few inches at a time and combing it through.

Then it was out with the new hair dressing scissors (thanks to a certain auction type site/place) and the templates I had made up all those months ago when I first started down the plumed helmet road.

The next pic was taken before I plugged in all the gaps



There we have it for now.

Will get the second plume started soon and that will be both done at last. At least I will have the first plume to use as a template for the second one so no upside down helmets (that really p***ed me off that did!).

Just got to try and bend them over ever so slightly once in the lid but that will be story for another day.

Tune in next week for more thrills, spills and so forth!

Thanks for following this thread folks.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I will be tuning in for the thrills , spills and so forth!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks great! And I was just watching the video of this costume from the Blu-ray! Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't wait to see it painted!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back Again! wink2

After watching fellow UKG member Pete Stroud getting near to completion on his Senate Guard I thought I had better get the finger out and start on the home stretch for the "Hairy One".

Finally got around to repairing the damaged crest and after what felt like an Eternal Battle I finally got the last of those damn pin holes defeated. Mad

The lid as seen in the next two pics is good to go but like I think I mentioned in a previous post it will have to wait 'til I come back from Egypt next month before it goes for paint.



The next couple of pics show the finished crests that have been shaped and trimmed to their final contours and at the risk of banging my own drum "again" I have to say I am well chuffed with the way they finally turned out.
These are the plumes without any stiffening as I am still not 100% what to use in the end as although I thought I had come across the perfect stuff in the fabric stiffener I showed in an earlier post I still was'nt happy with the overall look although there was absolutely nothing wrong with it and I was just being annoyingly picky and wanted to try out a few other things I had thought of during the process of making this helmet (which will now be forever known as "My Frackin' Nemesis").
I got myself a pair of hairdressing scissors which worked to a degree but I found the real horse hair to be a wee bit tougher than human hair. The scissors did the job but I felt they where 'tearing' the hair if I tried to trim more than say 1cm at a time which got laborious very quickly. The solution was at my mums' in the shape of electric dog hair trimmers. After an initial cut with the scissors the trimmers where used to give the plumes their final shaping and trim.
Was a real sod to get the two plums to match and all in all took the better part of six hours as I trimmed very carefully using templates I had made up ages ago. Once one plume was completed it was reasonably easy to match up the other one to it (or so I thought!) but there were subtle differences in each of the runners the hair was planted in to make matching the two up a total pain in the a**e!.




The major problem methinks with using the fabric stiffener was that I used it neat and straight from the bottle (much easier to apply when watered down slightly as suggested on the bottle and so much easier to work into the hair without messing up that overall shape too much) which worked extremely well but made the plumes impervious to anything but a full blown and direct nuclear strike.

Imprtant type tip now and that is :- "Read the bloody instructions on any bottle/container". And more so when applying to any hairy things!

It was an easy fix and just entailed 30 mins or so with the shower attachment some shampoo and just because it was there some good 'ol hair conditioner which by the way actually worked a treat as the plumes turned out brill and not as 'lifeless' looking as the first time when I just hosed them down to get rid of the stiffener. Another interesting and useful side effect of going all Vidal Sasoon on them was that when they dried totally (took nearly a bloody week for both of them) was that the hair went into a subtle "S" shape which lent itself brilliantly to supporting their own weight and helped stop them drooping backwards when attached to the lid. That "S" shape can just about be seen in the pics of the two plumes.

The final two pics in this WIP update show one of the plumes after I had got into with some strong hairspray which was suggested to me. I was not too keen on using hairspray at all TBH as I have visions of the lid catching fire and toasting my noggin inside it which I am sure you will agree would be somewhat embarassing not to mention a trifle painful. Another advantage is that it can be re-applied quickly when on a troop break but I am still trying other solutions even though it pains me to admit this is probably "THE" final route I will take. Got a few more experiments to do with the stiffener, spray and some mousse I am about to mention but nearly there.

The first pic show one of the plumes after being sprayed in this stuff and I have to say I was pleasantly suprised with the results. The bottom of the plume is resting on my hand and there is nothing to support the hair on any side bar this spray.



This is the spray I used.



I also got some "extra firm hold" hair mousse which was another thing sugested to me but I have'nt tried that yet along with that glue spray stuff.

So!Finally getting there and at last that light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter.



Thanks for following this thread and all the comments and suggestions given.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking great! For all the trial and error you did to figure this out, would you ever consider writing up a tutorial someplace?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SongofAmazon wrote:
Looking great! For all the trial and error you did to figure this out, would you ever consider writing up a tutorial someplace?


I certainly would if it will help folk out somewhere down the line. Have never written a tutorial but hopefully someone could give me a few pointers.

I will need to sit down and figure out how much time I actually spent just sitting there staring at the helmet and trying to visualise how it was going to look and how I was going to get there. I started off with a pretty strong picture in my head how it was all going to go together and a good 99.999% of all those ideas got shleved along the way but that has been the fun part (my girlfriend still labels me as sad and certifiable!).

Despite my trepidations (such a good word!) about using hairspray it has definately turned out to be the best choice.
I really thought I had nailed it with the fabric stiffener but I was never entirely happy with the results it gave me. Although it stiffened up the hair perfectly it left it looking rather "unnatural":-



But using that hairspray (with a little hair mousse) give me this which I hope you will agree is so much more natural and 100% better looking:-



I am going to get some of the hair gel which is made by the company that does that hairspray as it aparently they are both designed to be used together. I will pick some up next weekend and see how it goes.

But!If the end result is anywhere near as good as what I got just using the hairspray I think this project will be drawng to a close soon.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damnit!

I knew I had forgotten to show something.

Here's the lid for the first time with the plumes trimmed and shaped. When looking at the helmet from the front the right hand plume is the one that has had the hairspray applied to it.




Just got a final wee bit to do on the plumes and that will be that!

It was just a light dusting of the spray but hopefully you guys will agree in that it has turned out extremely well. Will get the hair gel and some more spray this weekend but I have to say I am well chuffed with the way it has turned out. Just wish I had the spare cash to get the lid painted but like I have said it will have to wait 'til I come back from holiday.

Hopefully the next time I post up here the helmet will be completed 100% and the clearance pics will be on their way!

Not long to go now.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's looking excellent Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow id love to get one of these helmets to make one
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