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Yavin Honor Guard question

 
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:30 pm    Post subject: Yavin Honor Guard question Reply with quote

Will this jacket and pants work for the Yavin Honor guard? Also would moving the visor on a Studio Creation helmet(as in photo) be acceptable?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In The Making of Star Wars, costume designer John Mollo says:

"two hundred US Marine olive-green stand ups, which we left well in the background because they had buttons on them."



Note the "stand up" collar, no lapels.

Here I have a part of still from the movie against an actual WW 1 USMC uniform. The radial seams fron the [stand up] collar to the pockets are a distinctive design feature, along with the different size buttons on the front and pocket flaps. The pleated pockets are not found on the US Army version.

Note that the screen used item is a lighter weight fabric, and the radial seams are not an exact match. I am searching for a "summer" or lightweight example to see if there is a match.

http://www.swtroopers.com/reb_costumes_rhg.htm states that one of the extras claims it to be a British uniform, but every example I can find has a fold-down collar. We may never actually know.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a while back...
we started a discussion thread on this costume...



http://www.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19354


and..



as Greg notes...
nothing was definitive...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was curious to see if it would pass muster as I thought it might be similar enough to the ones that had been approved. I have already been planning on redoing the pockets flaps so they come to a point. I'm not sure about the collar as tailoring & sewing is not a skill of mine.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont think that will work for the helmet. As seen here:



Windshield completly down no acrylic seen on forehead. And the uniform...is it from the photos or is that really the colour ? For the Honour Guards if this is the right colour maybe its a bit to dark...

For a Yavin Officer (the pic that was posted with the cap)..it might be better.

Wink

By the way i will be updating sometime in the future with a helmet from the UK.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The color will be the same, as the uniforms were rented in bulk from the costume supply.

So far, collectively we have not been able to positively ID the Nation/Service of the uniform. Mollo says they are US Marines but every photo I can find shows the USMC in a brown wool material, and the radial seams do not hit the midlle of the pocket. I can find US Army from the same period in a greenish material with matching seams, but they all have non-pleated pockets (just a simple patch with a flap).

They did find 200 of these things in boxes left over form WW I, so that really eliminates "custom tailored"; many officers had uniforms made locally out of higher quality material than issue but that would have been in one's and two's, not in the hundreds.

The search continues....
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, the US marines in WWI entyered the war in their own M-1914 uniform in 'forest green' wool.
It was their own version of the Army 'stand up collar' M-1910 uniform, that was officially Olive drab - actually a light brown.

The USMC uniform was in another colour, had different pockets, 'french'/'polish'/'Marines' pointed cuffs over the sleeves, and dark bronze buttons and fittings for the globe-and-anchor insigna.
They also had special equipment, basically the same of the Army, but in green instead of khaki canvas.

But, the USMC sended only two regiments in France - attached to US Army units.
So, when the uniforms the Marines had with them or in stock in their own small depots were worn out, they got the army brown uniforms and equipment.
So in the wartime photos, the marines had a motley mix of green and brown attires: both pre-war and simplified 'wartime' uniforms with plain pockets.
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WWI forest green uniforms are very sought after by collectors, as the Marines didn't liked the 'poo-doo' army colour, and used their own reserve of uniform as far as they can, razing down their own stock and pushing thorugh the logistic nightmare as much of their own uniforms to France.
Rare enough that someone marketed a COPY for reenactors.

Honestly, that a british depot in 1977 had in store hundreds of rare WWI uniform is a bit bizzarre. Non impossible, but quite strange.

I may think that the British army still used what they called 'khaki' stand-up collar jackets for formal events.
Seems a better path to investigate.
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