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HazardThree (Jon Paulson)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zach,

Got your PM. I did find it curious though that all this was brought up in a public forum rather than just answering my application response email. But since you've been public here, I'll answer you publically as well. I know the situation first-hand, as I'm the lead judge on this submission and the one who was communicating with the applicant.

1) Sara was NOT denied. I want to make that extremely clear. The judges (as a group) merely identified an inaccuracy in her submission and asked that she (a) clarify it by sending in additional photos, and (b) if needed make corrections. After she sent additional photos, I sent her an email explaining this as well as including additional reference pics showing the discrepancy. The judges even suggested a way that the changes could be made in the form of a "patch" rather than reworking the entire vest. An extended deadline of a month was then assigned to give time for the changes. Again, she was not denied.

2) If as James said, this inaccuracy is on "every single costume base vest" then I can only say that this is the first time that the flaw has been blatantly obvious in the photos - at least to me. And the judges will need to be made aware of that flaw for future submissions, and the standards will have to be clarified at the earliest opportunity to reflect that.

3) As requested I reviewed your profile as well. As you mentioned, it appears you do indeed have the same gap. However your submitted pics were smaller and less focused than Sara's so it may have been overlooked or missed by whatever judge was handling it. I can honestly say, that if I'd seen it, you would have gotten the same email as Sara asking for a correction. I've sent similar emails to other applicants in the past.

So again, she wasn't denied, but merely asked to make an adjustment. If she'd like to contact me via email for additional information or suggestions on how to make the adjustment, I'm here and willing to help (as I'm sure are other pilots in your base that can sew).

Finally, please be aware that our goal as judges isn't to throw up roadblocks, but to help applicants gain the best possible costume they can. That's why the Standards exist. They're not perfect, merely a work in progress. Should you wish to bypass me, I'd suggest contacting Mark, the LMO, and have him review the costume. I'm cool with that too.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crix wrote:
cloudstrife7 wrote:
Sara finished her X-wing! Submitted for approval on the 29th! Hoping to get it approved before Saturday for Ep1 troop but if not it'll be approved sooner or later!



any word?




I am sorry Jon. It's my fault it was brought up in public forum. I was curious as to Sara's status with her costume. I started it sorry Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking into it further and going over the other Outlaw's submission photos (since we were all admitted with CB gear), the gap is definitely there, but on the smaller vests its not as noticeable, especially since most of us cover it up with the chest box straps.

But I do have to say that it looks like the gap on Sara's DOES look larger than the older CB vests now that I compare them.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CB has been changing their vests from even a couple years ago..
and sadly...
the quality and accuracy is going downhill...
which is why I don't recommend them anymore...where I would have only a couple years ago.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon - I would have liked to respond to the e-mail had I known that was an option. There was mis-communication between Sara and I since the e-mails were going directly to her and not me, and I apologize for making this a public issue.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zach, remind Sara to sign up in the RL starfighter Command detachment thread if she would like to join the Outlaws..... which I am hoping she does Smile
http://www.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10384&start=360

after she posts there, I can make her officially OUTLAW 15, but not till then.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, Sarah's fix for the flak vest really looked great! I'm thinking of using her vest's before and after pics to help other pilots do the same.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BTW, Sarah's fix for the flak vest really looked great! I'm thinking of using her vest's before and after pics to help other pilots do the same.


I will have to ask her about it to so I can include a tutorial on that at our Yahoo Group...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phyllis, if you do get a tutorial, please shoot me over a copy. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HazardThree wrote:
BTW, Sarah's fix for the flak vest really looked great! I'm thinking of using her vest's before and after pics to help other pilots do the same.


I let her know - thank you!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crix wrote:
Zach, remind Sara to sign up in the RL starfighter Command detachment thread if she would like to join the Outlaws..... which I am hoping she does Smile
http://www.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10384&start=360

after she posts there, I can make her officially OUTLAW 15, but not till then.


wasnt sure if you seen this or not Zach, I was afraid it got lost in the other post right after.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crix wrote:
Crix wrote:
Zach, remind Sara to sign up in the RL starfighter Command detachment thread if she would like to join the Outlaws..... which I am hoping she does Smile
http://www.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10384&start=360

after she posts there, I can make her officially OUTLAW 15, but not till then.


wasnt sure if you seen this or not Zach, I was afraid it got lost in the other post right after.


I made sure to tell her, she just needs to do it lol
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