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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was trying out my google-fu today and I found this:

http://www.seattlefabrics.com/nylons.html

Has anyone given this place a shot? They have several types of nylon that come in orange, unfortunately they don't have much info on what their fabrics look like in real life.

What do you think? I'd be willing to buy samples if you all think its worth a shot.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might be worth a shot...
but I can tell you that anything "coated" would probably not work...
and no rip-stop...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, desperate times, and all that....

As I need to have my snowspeeder pilot finished for St Patty's parade, and my fabric search going nowhere fast, I've decided to "cheat".

I found some orange "costume satin" at Joann.

Now, before you start saying "Too Shiny", ...
...I'm going to use the reverse side.
It's the right color, and if the right fabric does surface, I'll count this as my prototype.

Oh, did I mention that it is only $3.99 a yard in store?

On line http://joannfabric.com/joann/catalog/productdetail.jsp?pageName=search&flag=true&PRODID=prd26526 (currently out of stock)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful, if it snags, you'll have a mess. But in a pinch, I've seen this used before.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had also thought about lining fabric.....like the Casa lining..
I am going to be out and about today...
if I go past Joannes'
I might check the lining fabric...

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since I am not in a great hurry and don't actually need this part of the costume..
..I am just going to keep looking...

and Katsu..
as long as you are going to be making a "prototype"......would you kind of make a tutorial as you go along?

I am sure that as you work on the box pleats....you will probably come up with a faster way to do them..
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a look at these photos I took in Joanne's in the fabric dept today...

the photos are of a Baroque Satin with a piece of our Costume Base flightsuit laying on top of it...

the object of the "exercise" was of course...looking for fabrics for the jacket...
the front side of the satin is too shiny...
but the back ain't half bad...







I looked at the fiber content and it was listed as 100% Acetate...
have no clue...
have never worked with Acetate before...
what is your take on acetate?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update on post above re: Acetate

Here is the "official" description of Acetate:


Acetate fabric is very soft and has a luxurious look like silk. It has an excellent drape-ability. The fabric dyes and prints well. It does not absorb moisture readily but dries fast. It is resistant to shrinkage, moth and mildew. It has no pilling problem and very little static problem. 'Triacetate' is an improved fabric, which does not melt easily and is easy to take care.

Acetate fabric is made from the cellulose obtained by deconstructing cotton or wood pulp. It was invented by Doctors Camille and Henri Dreyfus, Swiss brothers. In 1905, both of them developed commercial process to manufacture cellulose acetate. It was then mostly used in celluloid plastics and motion picture film. By 1913, their experiments in the laboratory produced samples of continuous filament acetate yarn. In the year 1924, first time, the acetate filament was commercially spun in United States and was trademarked as Celanese.


Characteristics of Acetate Fabric

It is crisp or soft touch.
It dyes and prints well.
It drapes well.
It is shrink, moth, and mildew resistant.
It is of low moisture absorbency and relatively fast drying.
It has little static problem.
It has no pilling problem.


Uses of Acetate Fabric
The major end use of acetate fabric worldwide is linings. It provides comfort against the outer shell. It takes up moisture and body oil from the body. It is also used as wedding and party attire, blouses, dresses, etc.


In home furnishings, it is widely used as draperies, upholstery, curtains, bedspreads and slipcovers.



Since one of the things that will REALLY be needed for doing box pleats is can you press it? And does it snag like other satins?


I also did look at the "Costume Satin" in the orange....the back side looked good as you noted.....
The Costume Satin and Baroque Satin was really quite similar when you looked at the backside (wrong side).
The costume satin is listed as 100% Polyester...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iam8114 wrote:
I was trying out my google-fu today and I found this:

http://www.seattlefabrics.com/nylons.html

Has anyone given this place a shot? They have several types of nylon that come in orange, unfortunately they don't have much info on what their fabrics look like in real life.

What do you think? I'd be willing to buy samples if you all think its worth a shot.


It looks like you can order a sample of the fabric, that's the best way to tell if it's what you are looking for.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I have no idea which is worth buying, I know zilch about fabrics. I was under the impression that none of them were worth the trouble.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not very knowledgeable about nylon fabrics. I haven't work with them much.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The acetates I've worked with aren't so fun to work with. Being a type of satin I'm guessing it snags easily. In a pinch, it'd work, but I'd still prefer a nylon that is meant for jackets since jackets are meant to take a beating, while bridal satin is not. But, I agree, get a sample of it and beat it up, run it through some tests, see what happens. An important thing to remember is that the nylon fabric of the jackets was a slightly lighter shade of orange than the cotton(?) flight suits.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well....one thing is certain...

the color is right if one goes by the screen captures we have seen..
The Boroque satin is just a wee bit lighter and a little more orange than the flightsuit fabric...and the backside has an acceptable sheen to it.

Where I agree that the fabric is probably a pain to work with...
I also found regular nylon not much fun to work with either...lol...
I made an original flak vest out of sport nylon..
and also made some flags...
what a pain..

the snagging is a concern though...
to avoid that...
go slow and use sharp and thin sewing needles?

Anyway...
the one good thing about the Baroque Satin is that it is (I believe) a stock item so that a person in Maine would be able to go to their local Joanne Fabric store and buy the same thing that someone in Oregon does...
that is a VERY good thing in terms of making it a little easier for interested parties to make a jacket...

And...
yes...
I am trying to confine the discussion to one place to try and pool all the information together for both you and I especially Rachel....
because whichever of us gets to it first...we can rely on each other to make tutorials...
and I am all about the tutorial...
and since I already have the Outlaw Yahoo Group started with other tutorials...
it would be a perfect spot to stash the Snowspeeder Pilot tutorials for anyone to be able to use..

Right now I am a little burned out on sewing..
I don't enjoy sewing and have really done a lot of it since August...


I did order samples from that flag company Jim...
I ordered the:

Golden Poppy
International Orange
Burnt Orange
Orange
and Mustard...

it will be interesting to see what the colors actually look like...
that place's color chart is off the charts...
egad..
without a sample....I would not buy anything from them based on what they are showing for color...

Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oki-day...

The nylon samples from Arista Flag company came today...

The fabric is REALLY a LOT like Sport Nylon...
it is thin....but does have possibilities...

here is an image of 4 of the orange colored nylon I requested:



The two closest colors are Burnt Orange and International Orange....the fabric scrap is from the Costume Base jumpsuit:




Even in these photos...the colors shift around quite a bit.

Jim...

On Sunday...I will try to remember to bring the samples with me so you can vote as to which you think is closest in color...
We can also stop by Joanne Fabrics on the way home for you to check out the Baroque Satin in person....along with the nylon samples...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I purchased the pattern yesterday Rachel...

Is this your plan?

View E?
Convert the hood into a poofy collar?
remove that small pocket?
install zipper only to a couple inches of the neck and then put velcro at the neck?


I bought 1/4 yard of the Baroque Satin...and wow...
color shift once you get it away from the florescents..

Shocked

As you probably saw at the other discussion thread...
I get exhasted with it all after awhile...

trust me...
been down this road so many times there is a groove in the pavement..

I am most interested in a concensus here...
among people that will likely be in the same place at the same time in the same costume.
I think at this point, I will limit my input to this forum at Nar Shaddaa

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I noticed something interesting when looking at pictures of the new Dak figure that's coming down the pike and something I've been thinking about since I picked up my new Snowspeeder Luke (FINALLY!) last week.

The Luke figure has a tied off skullcap and the Dak one does not. (Outside of the head, the two share the same bodies much like most of the current Hasbro Rebel Pilots)

Which pretty much sums up my current feelings on the issue, I think that Luke is the only pilot who has a skullcap with a tie(hero version?) although the tie is not there in every scene, the other pilots do not have this tie.

Another thing I've noticed is that the skull caps remind me of Astronaut skull caps. I haven't seen anything that is exactly what we're looking for but in basic shape and construction they seem to be very similar, especially the ones I've seen have a major detail in common over the flight caps we normally associate them with, covered ears.

Its at least something to consider.
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