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Green CorSec Flightsuits, Acceptable?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Green CorSec Flightsuits, Acceptable? Reply with quote

Since I've seen two different people bring this up, I thought I'd make a little more formal discussion in one place:

Any EU fan worth their salt knows Corran Horn, Rouge Squadron Pilot, Future Jedi Master, and EX-CorSec Detective.



You probably also know that Corran Horn's canon flightsuit, X-wing, and droid Whistler are all colored CorSec Green as they are CorSec issue. According to the EU, Corran's outfit is a standard CorSec flightsuit and there should be enough reference to make Pilot Corran an acceptable costume, but would that same reference material be good enough to make a "generic" CorSec pilot acceptable as well although you never see any other CorSec pilots?

Under 501st rules that would very likely never fly, but since the RL allows personalized helmets, that begs the question, would an arguably canon alternate flight suit color be allowed? Or should it be acceptable for only Corran Horn?

Discuss.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EU stuff is always hard... I would imagine it would be counted as non-formal... as it wouldnt be able to walk at Star Wars Weekends since it isnt seen on screen in any movie/TV show. (yet at least, lol who knows) There is at least one Coran Horn specific informal costume right now as it is...

I would say go for it, especially if you were gonna go A-Wing anyway. Do a costume because you want to, regardless of its acceptance. Chad already has an A-Wing and since he has a haircut at the moment, if he shaved he might could pass as a Coran Horn x-wing with my extra X-Wing parts.

there are a couple of Warhawks with Black flightsuits with Red striping, but those all would be nonformal costumes, best suited for conventions and non LFL sanctioned events.

Kinda brings up the idea of do we need a seperate classification now for canon EU stuff too... are there 3 sources for non-Coran Horn green flightsuits?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, James, for opening this discussion up. It is no secret, at least I have never made it one, that Corran is one of my favorite EU characters, if the favorite EU character.

Just my own two cents here, I think that allowing the CorSec pilots to join the Rebel Legion would be a nice touch. For me, it just makes the EU that much more included within the RL. How can that be a bad thing?

Of course, I understand that making allowances for one costume type could open a floodgate for other costume catagories. Let me state that I am not wanting to make life rougher for anyone within the Legion leadership. Certainly the needs of the many will always outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

In other words, I get that just because a couple of people want to have CorSec pilots, doesn't mean that it would fit within the Legion. Even if I would like to see them included.

I know it sounds like I am flip-flopping here. I think I am just trying to gauge where people stand on this issue.... what does Starfighter Command think about it?

I guess we should weigh all the options... what harm does it pose to allow the costumes in - what harm does it pose if they aren't allowed?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aramys Strael wrote:

Just my own two cents here, I think that allowing the CorSec pilots to join the Rebel Legion would be a nice touch. For me, it just makes the EU that much more included within the RL. How can that be a bad thing?

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In other words, I get that just because a couple of people want to have CorSec pilots, doesn't mean that it would fit within the Legion. Even if I would like to see them included.

I know it sounds like I am flip-flopping here. I think I am just trying to gauge where people stand on this issue.... what does Starfighter Command think about it?

I guess we should weigh all the options... what harm does it pose to allow the costumes in - what harm does it pose if they aren't allowed?

- Bill


well as for RLSC I gave the XO opinion.. Mr HazardThree? whats your CO opinion? lol I am sure they would at the very least they could ne NonFormal.

I think the biggest question would be classification, not if they fit or not, they certainly could fit, just a matter of how... and this 'we' stuff, when exactly ARE you going to join and be part of this we? Razz lol
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wolfie wrote:
Kinda brings up the idea of do we need a seperate classification now for canon EU stuff too... are there 3 sources for non-Coran Horn green flightsuits?

I'm going through the old X-Wing comics now to see if I can find anything else...

The picture posted above and the cover of the book "I, Jedi" are the only two pictures I can find.
He doesn't seem to not be wearing a flightsuit here.

There is a picture of him in the essential guide to characters but he is dressed as a Jedi.

The action figure that was just released is wearing orange...


My black flightsuit listed in my profile is considered a non formal Rebel Pilot.
It was allowed because I have at least one formal Pilot and a Formal Jedi.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would you feel better if I had used the verbiage of you, instead of we?

I think even if you guys allowed it to be a non-formal, that would be a small victory.

How is that? Razz

And to answer your question, when will I join? I say consult the wizened old puppet to see what he has to say...

"difficult to see. always in motion, the future is."

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well considering green suit would get you nonformal already consider it a victory... i mean there are black suits in nonformal, so green would be too.

and Gil, I was asking about pilots in green other than Coran... that way we could maybe even debate the idea of other pilots in green as EU formal at some point... if there were 3 sources for it...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


I'm still looking trying to find the 3 references of the green flightsuit.

So far the description in I, Jedi of the suit and the painting are all I can come up with...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have text references in the X-wing series.

X-Wing: The Krytos Trap, Page 2: "Corran's flightsuit had been green, black, and grey, since he'd brought it with him from the Corellian Security Force. In homage to him, that color scheme was used to create new uniforms for the squadron: evergreen overall, with dark grey flank panels, black sleeves, leg stripes, and trim."

I'm sure there are others, but I'm too tired to dig through all of my books right now to find them.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I couldn't leave it alone. I have a second text reference, this from X Wing: Isard's Revenge, Page 117: "He stuffed some survival ration bars into his green flight suit's pockets, though he thought of them as fairly lethal weapons."

Edited to add a second quote from the same book, on page 125: "He wanted the sun at his back as he moved, and once again was pleased that he wore a dark green flight suit, not the bright orange most of the squadron's other pilots wore."
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Not sure if this is a custom figure or not. I seem to think Chad has a green suited Horn figure.


and this hilarious photo manipulation fan art... LOL

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm still new to the RL side, but with the 501st we have costumes that are film canon and costumes that are EU canon and we all troop together unless its an event thats specifically labeled film(and TV now) canon only and thats usually only for LFL and Licensee events.

I troop with Shadowtroopers (black stormtroopers) all the time, so I don't really see this as too different from that myself.

Anyways, that green Coran figure is a custom, the only Corran figure ever produced is the new one in the wrong flightsuit.

Also don't bother with the comics, he doesn't become a Rogue until the novels. Although he does show up in his Xwing in that one arc where he's still a detective... I'll have to check that, but if memory serves me he doesn't wear his flightsuit in the cockpit.

As far as reference material... I though I had another picture but it turns out he's not in it. I've gotta look more... I know there are black and white drawings of him in his flightsuit from source books and what not.

The main problem you will run into if you want to do Corran is that there are only two references I know of of his helmet and that's the figure and the Atlas picture.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the RL, it is slightly different than 501st. We have Formal costumes which pretty much match the rules for a costume in the 501st (3 references or seen in a movie, etc). Then we have non-Formal which fits the universe but doesn't have the documentation to back it up (for example using a non-standard color for your flight suit). These are fine for most things, but some events require Formal costumes.

Also, has anyone checked the Decipher Card? Is Stackpole (he was the photo model for Corran on Corran's Decipher Card) wearing a flightsuit?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WookieeGunner wrote:

Also, has anyone checked the Decipher Card? Is Stackpole (he was the photo model for Corran on Corran's Decipher Card) wearing a flightsuit?


nope, well not really, looks like a real life flightsuit but also Mike Stackpole looks way too old to be Corran Horn anyways. Maybe Hal Horn...


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just to say this again....

We already will accept a green flight suit X-Wing as InFormal, so it cannot be your first costume for membership. But if you are going to go through the trouble of making all the other parts, you might as well go ahead and buy an orange suit from Costumebase or make one, so you will have a formal suit as well.

You can wear it practically to any event you want, just not to anything considered a "Formal" event. Which would be Star Wars Weekends, anything LFL asks us to do, certain celebrity escort jobs and skits and the like at conventions and Celebrations... etc.

Though if we were to ever work on making Corran Horn or "CorSec" pilots a Formal costume, all the descriptions in text so far mention different colored Flank and stripe parts on the suit rather than just an evergreen flightsuit so more work would be needed than just slapping on a green flightsuit methinks... let alone 3 solid references of the costume , especially on someone other than Corran.

(that being said, I <3 Corran Horn, until they made him a jolly green giant Jedi... Ugh. Rolling Eyes )
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