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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If people are serious about doing this costume, again, maybe we ought to try to hammer out a rank structure that we can all agree on, again, for uniformity.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a copy of an old SW Technical Journal which has the rank designations. Unfortunately, they don't include Admiral. However, there are color differences for which branch - Army red or Navy blue - so we could use the general rank but change the branch color, unless a pic of Ackbar's rack badge is available.



Sorry, it doesn't want to rotate.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I have that magazine, LOL!

What about enlisted ranks? cpl, sgt, pvt, etc...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rank_insignia_of_the_Rebel_Alliance
http://theforce.net/swtc/domino.html

Enlisted ranks-Imperial enlisted personnel have never been shown to have any type of insignia, but do have various types of uniforms which could indicate seniority among the enlisted rank structure. The uniforms appear to range from Soldiers and Technicians, to Sergeants and Naval NCOs, as well as Warrant Officers and Command Sergeants. Each of these groups is shown in the feature films to have various types of uniforms but never have been shown wearing any type of identifying insignia.

Imps do it this way. I think that the rebel alliance may be the same way for enlisted. Just my two cents... Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the idea of using this, Rick, except for one thing. If this were true, then Captain Antilles would be an Naval Admiral rather than a Naval Captain. However, he may have just been Captain by title as Han was Captain Solo even though he had no official rank.

I like the Force.net descriptions, especially since they have the Army/Navy/Starfighter rank titles on it. Even though I am not a pilot (yet), I still plan on using those descriptions when I do my Officer rank for my Naval Officer (ala Captain Antilles, but an actual Captain) and for the rank on my RFT vest.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to admit that I had not seen theforce.net version before. I only had the Technical journal. It is definately something to consider.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pilots are officers. So, you wouldn't have corporals, sergeants and the like piloting fighter craft. This would be why you don't see any ranks for enlisted personnel.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IndustrialSizeEd wrote:
If people are serious about doing this costume, again, maybe we ought to try to hammer out a rank structure that we can all agree on, again, for uniformity.


That would be super. I know there are at least 3 other people in my State looking at this costume.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sand Dancer wrote:
IndustrialSizeEd wrote:
If people are serious about doing this costume, again, maybe we ought to try to hammer out a rank structure that we can all agree on, again, for uniformity.


That would be super. I know there are at least 3 other people in my State looking at this costume.


Really? That's excellent!
Anyone who plans to do this costume should really talk to Ashley or anyone who already has it. Seeing as how this is an actual uniform, it'd be nice if they were all constructed as similarly as possible.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking back on these posts, I reviewed Ep IV. "Capt. Antilles" did indeed have 5 dots on his rank badge.
All I can think is that Lucas probably reconfigured the ranking structure after the success of his movies. He was involving more senior officers so he had to establish rank insignias whereas he only really had one named officer in his first SW movie.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm...a lack of continuity in the star wars movies...who'd ever think that was possible. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guess we'll have to wait for the super special, who needs money for college release to see them fix the rank structure! Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if you want to get technical, an Ensign or an Admiral could be balled Captain if they were the commander of the ship. So, Antilles having the rank bar naming him as a High Admiral (according to Star Wars Technical Commentaries. So, the fact that he was called Captain Antilles by Bail Organa as well as C-3P0, that seems like only a title. According to his rank insignia, which kind of agrees with his position of responsibility, he was a High Admiral in the Rebellion.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orin Mallix wrote:
Looking back on these posts, I reviewed Ep IV. "Capt. Antilles" did indeed have 5 dots on his rank badge.

It has often been said that the word "Captain" is what you call the commander of the ship, regardless of the officer's rank within the Navy.

In the X-wing novels, the X/A/Y/B-wing/TIE pilots are neither part of the Navy nor of the Army but of Starfighter Command, which has its own rank structure.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That isn't necessarily true... Starfighter Command is the detachment of the Navy. It is the difference between an infantry unit and an air corp.

In fact, think of of it as the US Army / Air Corp of World War Two. The Army had two divisions: The Army (the infantry) and the Air Corp (fighters)

But you are right about the captain of the ship. Regardless of the actual rank of the officer, be it an Ensign or an Admiral, both can be referred to as Captain of the ship without there being a sleight to the individual or his/her rank in the service.

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