Forum and Costume Controls

   FAQFAQ  SearchSearch  MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups  medals.php?sid=9a7c7f62330f18ea6175318ae4eee91aMedals   RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in

       
REMINDER: Do not change your e-mail address yourself. Please read this first for why.

[NEW] CS Proposal: General Leia, TROS -DISCUSSION
Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Rebel Legion Forum Index -> Costume and Prop Making -> Rebel Commanders -> RL GSC Standards Development -> RL GSC New Standards In Progress
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
RebelLady (Kristina Gundersen)
Detachment CO
Detachment CO


Joined: 18 Feb 2016
Posts: 1262
Location: Orange County, CA
Medals: 2 (View more...)
Rebelthon2020 (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:18 am    Post subject: [NEW] CS Proposal: General Leia, TROS -DISCUSSION Reply with quote

General Leia, TROS


https://imgur.com/RKqIWc1
Image Source: starwarsscreencaps.com

CHARACTER DESCRIPTION:
Leia Organa Solo (born Leia Amidala Skywalker) was, at various stages of her life, a politician, revolutionary, and Jedi Knight of the New Jedi Order. The daughter of Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker and Senator Padmé Amidala of Naboo, Leia was the younger twin sister of Luke Skywalker, and, shortly after her birth, she became the adopted daughter of Bail Organa and Queen Breha of Alderaan, making her a Princess of Alderaan. An accomplished Senator, Leia Organa was most famous for her strong leadership during the Galactic Civil War and other subsequent galactic conflicts, making her one of the galaxy’s greatest heroes. (Source Wookieepedia)



Blouse/Tunic:
    • Medium/dark aubergine (eggplant) or plum rough weave gauze linen, cotton or similar
    • High cowl neckline reaching just above the base of the neck.
    • Bias cut tunic ends just below the hips/upper thigh.
    • Sleeves are straight, wrist length, and with tucks or ruching along the underarm seam at the elbow.


https://imgur.com/ZXebceK
https://imgur.com/O0MeBIK
https://imgur.com/n4kGaq2
Image Source: JenEyre TROS Los Angeles Premiere Display

https://imgur.com/hlHwctt
Image Source: Endor Express, LFL Press Preview

https://imgur.com/24pj1MM
https://imgur.com/LPj3Tn0
https://imgur.com/16273jR
https://imgur.com/xjUVVW6
https://imgur.com/4iUv8ZV
doinit4carrie, LFL Costume Viewing Pictures

https://imgur.com/LAnl6Z1
https://imgur.com/RKqIWc1
Image Source: starwarsscreencaps.com

Trousers:
    • Wide legged pants similar to palazzo pants.
    • A bottomweight knit in an aubergine (eggplant) or plum. Color should be in the same family as the blouse, but a shade darker.
    • Hem almost touches the ground.


https://imgur.com/NcaR62A
https://imgur.com/qVQgDj5
Image Source: doinit4carrie, LFL Costume Viewing Pictures

Waistcoat:
    • Long sleeveless vest ending approximately 1.5 inches (4 cm) above the floor
    • Dark charcoal blue-grey twill or similar fabric* (Screen used fabric was silk.)
    • Outer fabric has quilted rectangles approximately ⅝ inches (1.6 cm) by 1 ½ inches (4 cm). The screen-used vest created the horizontal lines with couched cording.
    • Vest lined with a black corded fabric, screen-used was likely a faillie (similar to grosgrain).
    • Front features princess seams that run from the top of the collar, over the shoulder across the bust and to the hem. These seams help create the front pieces of the standing collar.
    • Collar reaches to just below the earlobes in front and the nape of the neck in back. The collar front is formed in one piece with the vest front; the back is set into the neckline and has a center seam. The quilting angles away from this seam forming inverted V-shapes.
    • Shoulder seam sits approximately 2 inches toward the back meeting the collar almost at the center back. Seam runs parallel to a traditional shoulder seam.
    • Inside the top of the armhole there is a padded section covered in the vest fashion fabric, quilted horizontally, and positioned like a shoulder pad.
    • The back on the tunic has a center back seam. There is an inverted box pleat at the center back which is stitched closed for about three inches before opening.
    • There is one pleat on either side of the center back seam positioned 2/3 thirds the distance from the center back to the armhole.
    • There is one inverted box pleat on each side, directly under the armpit. The pleats are stitched closed, opening at the hip.
    • There is an additional side seam, each side, starting at the back edge of the armpit, no pleats.
    • Cloak flares very slightly at the hip increasing in width to the bottom.


Optional:
    • Monotone herringbone weave
    • Metallic thread used for vertical quilting


https://imgur.com/G1j1rUg
Image Source: Endor Express, LFL Press Preview

https://imgur.com/OD35289
https://imgur.com/qizIASx
https://imgur.com/RKqIWc1
https://imgur.com/fBYBTks
https://imgur.com/0SgwnPJ
https://imgur.com/Jw2XI1p
https://imgur.com/zOx0eTr
Image Source: starwarsscreencaps.com

https://imgur.com/UPp0FEG
https://imgur.com/qFNl3b0
https://imgur.com/COJYwne
https://imgur.com/9YN7QIJ
https://imgur.com/ronCMZu
https://imgur.com/R2YKCA3
https://imgur.com/aeB9eUH
https://imgur.com/ZtiHxIk
https://imgur.com/tYT4Yo1
Image Source: doinit4carrie, LFL Costume Viewing Pictures

https://imgur.com/XQYHF6f
https://imgur.com/ZbfEWeR
https://imgur.com/B38WFM6
https://imgur.com/WXv6ICO
https://imgur.com/88aMrxw
https://imgur.com/XdY7RVn
https://imgur.com/v6c59dM
Image Source: JenEyre TROS Los Angeles Premiere Display

Belt:
    • Belt consists of two rows of linked brass tubes that run parallel to one another on either side of a weathered brass toned buckle. The rows are connected to the buckle, but the top and bottom are independent of one another.
    • Each brass tube is approximately 1 ½ inches (2.8 cm) tall. The tubes are connected with silver toned wire threaded through the center to create linked rectangles.
    • Links are connected to the buckle with a brown leather or leather-like strap that threads through the center of the buckle. Each row is connected to a separate strap.
    • Buckle is a modified trefoil shape.* The buckle has a center section and two outer sections. The center piece is wider at the top, curving in at the middle and widening again at the bottom. The top is a convex petal shape, while the bottom is a larger concave petal shape. The outer edges are shaped like narrow ellipses. All three sections have two upper and two lower slots for the leather strap to thread through.


Optional:
    • The buckle surface may have a hammered or scored texture.


*Buckle shape is similar to the TFA buckle, but is larger, wider, and more symmetrical.

https://imgur.com/cThmdYe
https://imgur.com/16273jR
https://imgur.com/oCVTk83
https://imgur.com/VjQ5cqD
https://imgur.com/brIqz5w
Image Source: doinit4carrie, LFL Costume Viewing Pictures

Boots:
    • Dark brown or black leather or leather-like boot.
    • Rounded toe.
    • Low block heel- approximately 1 ½ - 2 (2.5-4 cm) inches tall.
    • Plain boot without visible straps or buckles, hidden inside zip is allowed.


https://imgur.com/YbK8kZ6
https://imgur.com/yzOqBBS
https://imgur.com/Aqt3aNP
Image Source: starwarsscreencaps.com

Jewelry:
    • Gold or bronze toned ear cuffs that curl around the lower ear lobe and extend up the back of the ear. May have a hammered finish.
    • Gold or bronze toned wrist cuff approximately 3 inches / 7.5 cm wide worn on the right wrist consisting of a thin wired effect. The wrist cuff features a gradual wave pattern. The wire sections may have irregular indentations.
    • Long gold or bronze toned ring featuring two intersecting arches and set with two circular blue stones worn on the right ring finger.
    • Large gold or bronze blue-teal tone oval ring worn on the left ring finger. (Mainly blue with flecks of other colors recommended). Ring setting is made of tentacle-like prongs.


https://imgur.com/LFUghNR
https://imgur.com/zOx0eTr
https://imgur.com/xidjuRG
https://imgur.com/UWnEHtd
https://imgur.com/rNXqpwj
Image Source: starwarsscreencaps.com

https://imgur.com/UPp0FEG
https://imgur.com/qFNl3b0
https://imgur.com/plGXS6A
Image Source: doinit4carrie, LFL Costume Viewing Pictures

Note: Jewelry is all reused. The earrings are the ones worn with her Crait costume, and the bracelet and rings are worn with her Raddus bridge costume.

Hair:
    • Swept back and divided into two sections at the nape of the neck. No visible part.
    • At the nape each section is twisted and crossed at the nape. There are two loose buns that lead into the twists wrapping up over the top of the head like a headband.*
    • Brownish grey hair preferred, any naturally occurring color accepted.

*The twisted headband is often referred to as a “mourning braid”.

https://imgur.com/rNXqpwj
https://imgur.com/0p52Nkh
https://imgur.com/9y4r2Ik
https://imgur.com/rCIGbGI
https://imgur.com/3MMcwNB
https://imgur.com/YVFMdjD
https://imgur.com/zOx0eTr
https://imgur.com/jOBz3la
Image Source: starwarsscreencaps.com

This draft is collated from comments and observations from doinit4carrie, RogueWic, RebelLady, ibejedi, and tenebris.

Resource Thread:
http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110626
Amy’s Reference Album:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/amyyoungspix/p52474
Detachment Reference Album (sources noted in captions): https://imgur.com/a/mPYX82g
SongofAmazon’s LA Premiere Photos:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/songofamazon/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1398538223650634[/i][/b][/youtube]
_________________
Legion Costuming Judge: Officers, Rebel Supporters
Galactic Strategic Command, DCO
Yavin Command Post, Duty Officer
Sunrider Base Charity Officer 2016-18
-------------------------------------------------------
Mon Mothma, OT Pilot, Willrow Hood, Resistance Officer, General Leia Organa (Raddus Bridge), ANH General, Mirax Terrik, Lyra Erso


Last edited by RebelLady (Kristina Gundersen) on Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:16 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
RogueWic ()
Active Legion Member


Joined: 04 May 2016
Posts: 40

Medals: 1 (View more...)
Rebel Legion Supporter (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:56 pm    Post subject: Thanks! Reply with quote

Kristina, you did an amazing and thorough job. Thank you for tackling this. It can't have been easy.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
RogueWic ()
Active Legion Member


Joined: 04 May 2016
Posts: 40

Medals: 1 (View more...)
Rebel Legion Supporter (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:19 pm    Post subject: comment on waistcoat Reply with quote

I believe the seam under the armhole is actually another pleat, making it two pleats coming out from the armhole.

[https://imgur.com/XQYHF6f]

https://imgur.com/UPp0FEG]
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ibejedi (Heather Tanner)
Mos Eisley Base XO
Mos Eisley Base  XO


Joined: 13 Apr 2016
Posts: 409
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
Medals: None

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds really good! Thank you for all your work on this! My only suggestion is that the jewelry description could come from the TLJ Leia standards (Raddus/Crait) in order to be more specific. The 2 stone ring could maybe say "screen accurate"? It's an item you can purchase pretty close to accurate, depending on the size of your fingers

Amy, thank you so much as well for all your hard work and amazing photo gathering/detail observation.
_________________
Heather "ibejedi"
Beggar's Canyon Command Post Duty Officer
Now or Never Creations and Cosplay: https://www.facebook.com/nowornever2016

Stay afraid, but do it anyway. What's important is the action. You don't have to wait to be confident. Just do it and eventually the confidence will follow. - Carrie Fisher
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
doinit4carrie (Amy Young)
Active Legion Member


Joined: 29 Aug 2019
Posts: 203
Location: Marin County, California
Medals: 1 (View more...)
Rebelthon2020 (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: comment on waistcoat Reply with quote

Yes, there is one pleat that opens up just below the wrist level from the center seam under the armpit. But there are not two. There are some deep seams and that may be what you are seeing.
You can look at the drawings on my WIP for reference. I sketched these while examing the costume in person.

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1127704#1127704

I will have another look at my notes and pics too in case I missed something.

RogueWic wrote:
I believe the seam under the armhole is actually another pleat, making it two pleats coming out from the armhole.

[https://imgur.com/XQYHF6f]

https://imgur.com/UPp0FEG]
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
doinit4carrie (Amy Young)
Active Legion Member


Joined: 29 Aug 2019
Posts: 203
Location: Marin County, California
Medals: 1 (View more...)
Rebelthon2020 (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree Heather. Might as well use the jewelry descriptions already on hand.

I am very happy to have helped! Now let's get at least one costume made among us so we can have a template!

[quote="ibejedi"]Sounds really good! Thank you for all your work on this! My only suggestion is that the jewelry description could come from the TLJ Leia standards (Raddus/Crait) in order to be more specific. The 2 stone ring could maybe say "screen accurate"? It's an item you can purchase pretty close to accurate, depending on the size of your fingers

Amy, thank you so much as well for all your hard work and amazing photo gathering/detail observation.[/quote]
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
RebelLady (Kristina Gundersen)
Detachment CO
Detachment CO


Joined: 18 Feb 2016
Posts: 1262
Location: Orange County, CA
Medals: 2 (View more...)
Rebelthon2020 (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ibejedi wrote:
Sounds really good! Thank you for all your work on this! My only suggestion is that the jewelry description could come from the TLJ Leia standards (Raddus/Crait) in order to be more specific. The 2 stone ring could maybe say "screen accurate"? It's an item you can purchase pretty close to accurate, depending on the size of your fingers

Amy, thank you so much as well for all your hard work and amazing photo gathering/detail observation.


Thank *you* for the work you did getting the resource thread started!

The guidance from the LMO has been to avoid wording like "screen accurate" in favor of describing the item. I actually pulled the wording directly from the Raddus standard, and then added descriptors. Wink
_________________
Legion Costuming Judge: Officers, Rebel Supporters
Galactic Strategic Command, DCO
Yavin Command Post, Duty Officer
Sunrider Base Charity Officer 2016-18
-------------------------------------------------------
Mon Mothma, OT Pilot, Willrow Hood, Resistance Officer, General Leia Organa (Raddus Bridge), ANH General, Mirax Terrik, Lyra Erso
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
doinit4carrie (Amy Young)
Active Legion Member


Joined: 29 Aug 2019
Posts: 203
Location: Marin County, California
Medals: 1 (View more...)
Rebelthon2020 (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is fantastic Kristina! Thanks for pulling it together!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
RogueWic ()
Active Legion Member


Joined: 04 May 2016
Posts: 40

Medals: 1 (View more...)
Rebel Legion Supporter (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:06 pm    Post subject: Sorry Reply with quote

I am technically inept. I have been trying for an hour to get my links to work. I am giving up. I am afraid you will have to match the links I tried to the ones Kristina posted and click there.

But you will see there are two pleats coming out of the armholes. One is at the underarm seam. The other is about three inches up the back armhole opening from the underarm seam. It appears to mimic the pleats on either side of the center back box pleat in the direction it folds. Similarly to the other pleats, it appears to be stitched down to the hip level.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
doinit4carrie (Amy Young)
Active Legion Member


Joined: 29 Aug 2019
Posts: 203
Location: Marin County, California
Medals: 1 (View more...)
Rebelthon2020 (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:17 pm    Post subject: Comment on the blouse and waistcoat color Reply with quote

Blouse: "Medium/dark aubergine (eggplant) or plum rough weave gauze linen, cotton or similar"

Though the blouse looks lighter in color, almost rose-colored in photos with lighting, in natural lighting it shows it's true darker, burgundy color. See these pics:

https://imgur.com/wIHQJyr.jpg
https://imgur.com/LPj3Tn0

I'd like to propose that we lean away from the eggplant for the blouse or at least expand the choice to include burgundy.

Waistcoat: "Dark charcoal [u]blue-grey[/u] twill or similar fabric"

Though the waistcoat's original shiny and silky material could reflect a little blue from the lighting and setting, it is actually a brownish-purple to compliment the blouse and pants. The color scheme is definitely dark purple/plum. But this brownish-purple color is only seen in person without artificial lighting and low natural lighting See this pic:
https://imgur.com/LPj3Tn0

But in most of the film and in person with lighting it looks silver grey (in person w/ lighting) to dark/ charcoal grey (on screen) See these pics:
https://imgur.com/aeB9eUH
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d5257alaxzcibjn/Screenshot%202020-01-15%2011.32.19%20%282%29.jpg?dl=0

I think we should not have it as "blue" grey, but in the dark grey range. if we leave the blue in there we might see some more blue than grey. I think we want grey. Very Happy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
doinit4carrie (Amy Young)
Active Legion Member


Joined: 29 Aug 2019
Posts: 203
Location: Marin County, California
Medals: 1 (View more...)
Rebelthon2020 (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Sorry Reply with quote

Could you please copy and paste the link of Kristina's you say shows this pleat so I can see what you are seeing?

[quote="RogueWic"]I am technically inept. I have been trying for an hour to get my links to work. I am giving up. I am afraid you will have to match the links I tried to the ones Kristina posted and click there.

But you will see there are two pleats coming out of the armholes. One is at the underarm seam. The other is about three inches up the back armhole opening from the underarm seam. It appears to mimic the pleats on either side of the center back box pleat in the direction it folds. Similarly to the other pleats, it appears to be stitched down to the hip level.[/quote]
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
doinit4carrie (Amy Young)
Active Legion Member


Joined: 29 Aug 2019
Posts: 203
Location: Marin County, California
Medals: 1 (View more...)
Rebelthon2020 (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Sorry Reply with quote

Do you mean these pics? I think I see what you are loooking at. It is not a pleat. Because of the thickness of the material and the lining, those are actually just very deep seams that run all the way up and down.

https://imgur.com/UPp0FEG
https://imgur.com/XQYHF6f
https://imgur.com/v6c59dM

[quote="RogueWic"]I am technically inept. I have been trying for an hour to get my links to work. I am giving up. I am afraid you will have to match the links I tried to the ones Kristina posted and click there.

But you will see there are two pleats coming out of the armholes. One is at the underarm seam. The other is about three inches up the back armhole opening from the underarm seam. It appears to mimic the pleats on either side of the center back box pleat in the direction it folds. Similarly to the other pleats, it appears to be stitched down to the hip level.[/quote]
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ibejedi (Heather Tanner)
Mos Eisley Base XO
Mos Eisley Base  XO


Joined: 13 Apr 2016
Posts: 409
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
Medals: None

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Amy that blue isn't the best to include in the color description of the vest - I would lean towards "greyish purple" because even on screen I find it reads with a purple tone to it, even if not as vivid. It is in the more blue-toned purple/cool purple range - and it shows especially when seen with the other costume elements, which are in the "reddish-purple/burgandy" range. I think it's important to describe that contrast of the shades, and that it may be somewhat like "Jakku Rey" in that there may be a range of acceptable colors but how the colors of the pieces look in relationship to each other will be key. If that makes sense?

I know it's hard when you see a costume in person and the color looks different on film - to try and separate that and figure what is most accurate. Adding to the confusion is that Michael Kaplan called it a "blue" coat/vest in an interview. However I feel strongly that the vest is a "purple" at heart, even if a more subdued, grey/dull purple and reads that way on screen. I know when I saw the first trailer the very first time, I was instantly struck with the thought that her vest was *purple*!

I'd also agree with staying away from "eggplant" for the other pieces, as eggplant purple always seems more of a blue purple to me. I like plum/burgandy/dark mauve as more accurate color descriptors that are definitely on the "red" purple spectrum.
_________________
Heather "ibejedi"
Beggar's Canyon Command Post Duty Officer
Now or Never Creations and Cosplay: https://www.facebook.com/nowornever2016

Stay afraid, but do it anyway. What's important is the action. You don't have to wait to be confident. Just do it and eventually the confidence will follow. - Carrie Fisher
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
RogueWic ()
Active Legion Member


Joined: 04 May 2016
Posts: 40

Medals: 1 (View more...)
Rebel Legion Supporter (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:50 pm    Post subject: armhole pleats or seams Reply with quote

The reason I think they are pleats is because the princess seams running down the front of the waistcoat don't look as deep. If the appearance is from the thickness of the fashion fabric and lining, it would be deep on the front as well. It also looks more like a pleat on JenEyre's first photo under the place on the standards where Optional is listed.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
doinit4carrie (Amy Young)
Active Legion Member


Joined: 29 Aug 2019
Posts: 203
Location: Marin County, California
Medals: 1 (View more...)
Rebelthon2020 (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed Heather.

I like the way you said this..."a range of acceptable colors but how the colors of the pieces look in relationship to each other will be key."

And to answer this..."I feel strongly that the vest is a "purple" at heart, even if a more subdued, grey/dull purple and reads that way on screen. I know when I saw the first trailer the very first time, I was instantly struck with the thought that her vest was *purple*!"

You see purple because it is purple, just a very dark brownish-purple.So I agree we use the dark purple, burgundy, plum, reds scheme.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Rebel Legion Forum Index -> Costume and Prop Making -> Rebel Commanders -> RL GSC Standards Development -> RL GSC New Standards In Progress All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next
Page 1 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot post calendar events in this forum
The Rebel Legion is a worldwide Star Wars costuming organization comprised of and operated by Star Wars fans. While not sponsored by Lucasfilm Ltd., it is Lucasfilm's preferred volunteer Rebel costuming group. Star Wars, its characters, costumes, and all associated items are the intellectual property of Lucasfilm. © 2020 Lucasfilm Ltd. & ™ All rights reserved. Used under authorization.


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group