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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:58 pm    Post subject: [Finished][Rewrite]Obi-Wan Kenobi - Episode IV Reply with quote

Hello everyone

We open this thread for new revision for 15 days

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Standard Name: Obi-Wan Kenobi - Episode IV
Primary Detachment: KJO
Submission Date: 15 July 2020
Existing Standard URL: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/obi-wan-ben-kenobi-original-trilogy/

Front Image:
http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/newhope_1039.jpg
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Back / Second View Image
http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/newhope_1674.jpg
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Character Description
Obi-Wan Kenobi was born in 57 BBY, the first son of a moderately wealthy family, and was taken to Coruscant to begin his Jedi training shortly thereafter. His homeworld was Stewjon, from which Kenobi had vague, pleasant memories of playing with his brother, Owen, in a green, grassy area. It is recorded that Kenobi might have occasionally visited Owen and the rest of the Kenobi family later in his life.

Required Items
Head:
http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/001.jpg
Required Details:
    - Grey or white short cut hair.
    - Grey or white drimmed beard.
    - Wigs and prosthetics are allowed


Inner Tunic:
http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/001.jpg
Required Details:
    - Brown, long sleeved, shirt with turtleneck collar.


Outer Tunic:
http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/013a.jpg
Required Details:
    - Beige floor-length outer tunic, made of heavy structured material.
    - Closed left over right.
    - The tunic overlapps in the front, so that the legs are not seen when moving.
    - No bare skin is visible.


Tabards:
http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/013a.jpg
Required Details:
    - Beige scarf-style tabards, made of the same material as the outer tunic.
    - The tabards reach to the knees.


Obi:
Required Details:
    - Beige scrunched obi, made of the same material as the outer tunic.
    - Obi is wider than the belt.


Belt:
http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/OWkbelt.jpg
Required Details:
    -The belt has a golden rectangular belt buckle.
    -The corners of the belt buckle are rounded.
    -The belt buckle is fixed with two silver rivets.
    -On the back of the belt, there is a leather strip, in the width of the belt, it is fastened with two silver rivets. On the left side a silver ring is fastened with a strip to the belt.
    -On the left side of the belt buckle a golden rivet is attached.


Pouch:
Required Details:
    -Reddish brown leather belt pouch. (same colour as the belt)
    -The belt pouch is semi-circular and has a silver snap fastener.
    -It hangs on flaps interrupted by D-rings on the right side of the belt.


Lightsaber Clip:
http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/OWkbelt.jpg
Required Details:
    - Silver lightsaber hook.


Boots:
Required Details:
    - Brown closed-toed, leather or leather-like shoes or boots.
    - Footwear is barely seen as outer tunic nearly touches the ground.


Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - Obi-Wan Kenobi hero lightsaber. (ANH)
    - The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only).
    - Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
    - If bladed must be blue.
    - No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber.


Pants:
Required Details:
    - Beige pants.


Costume Resources:
- Reference Photo Gallery - http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/?portfolio=obi-wan-ben-kenobi-episode-iv

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I suppose it must be a mistake.

It has been proposed that the blade should be purple, but I‘ve always seen the blade blue.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yospel wrote:
Hi

I suppose it must be a mistake.

It has been proposed that the blade should be purple, but I‘ve always seen the blade blue.

regards


Hello Yospel!

Thank you so much for your observation Wink Wink . I edited the first post with the new modification

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pants:
Required Details:
- Beige pants.


Beige wide pants worn inside the boots.
(Pants should not be optional, as the long outer tunic is not fix closed in the front .. so if you walk the naked legs will be visible)

Pouch:
Required Details:
- Brown, banana-shaped, leather or leather-like belt pouch


Reddish brown leather belt pouch. (same colour as the belt)
The belt pouch is semi-circular and has a silver snap fastener.
It hangs on flaps interrupted by D-rings on the right side of the belt.

Belt:
http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/OWkbelt.jpg
Required Details:
- Reddish brown leather belt.
- The rectangular metal buckle has rounded corners.


The belt has a golden rectangular belt buckle.
The corners of the belt buckle are rounded.
The belt buckle is fixed with two silver rivets.
On the back of the belt, there is a leather strip, in the width of the belt, it is fastened with two silver rivets. On the left side a silver ring is fastened with a strip to the belt.
On the left side of the belt buckle a golden rivet is attached.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:
Pants:
Required Details:
- Beige pants.


Beige wide pants worn inside the boots.
(Pants should not be optional, as the long outer tunic is not fix closed in the front .. so if you walk the naked legs will be visible)

Pouch:
Required Details:
- Brown, banana-shaped, leather or leather-like belt pouch


Reddish brown leather belt pouch. (same colour as the belt)
The belt pouch is semi-circular and has a silver snap fastener.
It hangs on flaps interrupted by D-rings on the right side of the belt.

Belt:
http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/OWkbelt.jpg
Required Details:
- Reddish brown leather belt.
- The rectangular metal buckle has rounded corners.


The belt has a golden rectangular belt buckle.
The corners of the belt buckle are rounded.
The belt buckle is fixed with two silver rivets.
On the back of the belt, there is a leather strip, in the width of the belt, it is fastened with two silver rivets. On the left side a silver ring is fastened with a strip to the belt.
On the left side of the belt buckle a golden rivet is attached.

yours
Leroni


Hello Leroni!

Thank you so much for your modifications. I edited the first post

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

“The belt has a golden rectangular belt buckle.
The corners of the belt buckle are rounded.
The belt buckle is fixed with two silver rivets.
On the back of the belt, there is a leather strip, in the width of the belt, it is fastened with two silver rivets. On the left side a silver ring is fastened with a strip to the belt.
On the left side of the belt buckle a golden rivet is attached.”

Guys this is a confusing description.

It sounds as though there are 4 rivets fixing the buckle. There isn’t but we are being way too prescriptive. The standards don’t have to nominate ever minute detail otherwise very few will be approved.

Some things need to be included such as the hexagonal leather piece riveted to the right side of the belt ( which hasn’t even been mentioned so far) but focusing on how the buckle is attached to the belt in my mind, is not seeing the forest because you are focused on the trees.

As the Obi Wan Judge, I just want to see the correct buckle and Greablies such as the hexagon leather swatch. Big ticket items please.

Of course there will be people that strive for total screen accuracy. That’s fantastic and they will be approved, but let’s not set up the rest of the applicants that also have superb costumes for failure, because they don’t have the exact attachment for the Buckle.

The standard should be along the lines of...

Rectangular, weathered buckle with rounded corners.
To the right of the buckle is a leather piece in the shape of a hexagon ( see reference images )

Some of the suggestions above are excellent, such as the pants requirement. Let’s just keep it practical. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Shay!

Leroni's description is very detailed. Do you say to simplify it? I don't know how we can write it in full so that there is an intermediate point, which is detailed enough for the LCJ and simple so that the member who makes that costume has a simple guide.

Thank you all for your contributions. All are important

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right Shay its detailed




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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes you are correct, it is very detailed .

Perhaps a visual reference makes it easier to understand the narrative.

I think what you have described though is every single element of the movie used belt. The philosophical question for us as a group is, are we happy with a good amount of detail in a face character with a small amount of “ wriggle room” or do we want to insist on every detail seen on screen so that our costumes are completely screen accurate ?

I don’t mind either way what is decided , I’ll administer either philosophy but I can tell you that if we just deal with Old Ben as an example, I’ve seen maybe 2 or 3 over the years that would have a belt that matches your description. All others would have been denied.

The current belt description is ...

5. Reddish brown leather belt with rectangular metal buckle with rounded corners and lightsaber hook.

So we are going to amend this to an incredibly prescriptive description of the belt. I’m just saying be careful what you wish for. Yes, anyone that gets approved will be very accurate and the standards will be very high but there will also be many, many denials.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, Leroni please forgive me if that sounds like I’m criticising your writing style. I’m certainly not and I know how many hours you put in to the detachment and revising these standards.

Where these new standards will take us though is worth the conversation I think.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shay Kenobi wrote:
.....
do we want to insist on every detail seen on screen so that our costumes are completely screen accurate ?

.....


The judges do it, the other detachments do it.

I always said that the standards should have one level... and there is still the "additional details" option.

i am sure after revision you dont like to have the same standards like some are now.
(white shirt, blue pants, black boots)

use the additional details to give the people the chance to look deeper into a costume, do look at the details
i think we all want high quality costumes.


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No problem to criticising my writing style, it doesnt touch me Smile
Let me explain ...
I am not native speaker.

Smile .. you see .. very easy to understand why i have a special writing style.

Its up to YOU - the native speaker - to bring things to good understandable english - without words in colloquial language, that cant be found in any dictionary.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is true Leroni, we all want high level costumes and since joining the Legion I have only promoted high standards.

Insisting on every detail of a costume being present though is something very different and suggesting every judge and every detachment do this already is incredibly disingenuous at best.

I can’t speak for other detachments but certainly the Jedi detachment and Jedi judges have never insisted on “every detail“. Even the Face Character judges ( I am one ). If that were the case, as I mentioned earlier, there would be no approvals.

My original comment was in response to Obi Wan’s belt and it’s prescriptive listing. This isn’t an “ extras” or optional element and if written the way you have suggested, will be a requirement within the standards and will need to be followed by ever applicant.

Not necessarily a bad thing IF THAT IS WHAT WE WANT but stay on target with this thread and the point I am making.

If we want that level of accuracy, no problem, I’ll administer it as always but very few people will be approved.

If we still want a very high level of accuracy with great costumes being approved as is the case right now, don’t lock in long, wordy, convoluted descriptions of essential components.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great inputs, I'm on the middle side.. yes we need to describe elements so an applicant be aware they exist. Not everyone is the same to catch details. so is better to describe the most relevant.

But also is not good idea to use a lot of words to describe them to detail.

The most important to make this easy for everyone, is not to ask for expensive or hard to find materials or complex details. Most important are proportions and measures to achieve a good look. Thats why we need to add images !!

Judges have different interpretations in terms of accuracy, so the best way to try to make it "standard" is to wording the required elements.

So if it's described then it need to be done, if not described then not. That way we avoid applicant's claims like "other judge approved that way, why you dont?"

So, here we need to discuss what to describe at standards, and what is not necessary to be done to avoid complications to applicants.

As Leroni said a great help would be to correct any bad sentence or word that we may say. Im also not a native english speaker, like Agustin I speak spanish, so we may have mistakes around here.

Let’s make this work for everyone. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Jdos,

Yes I think you’ve nailed it. We have to decide what level of detail we include to the standards and is the point I’m making here.

The iconic, “make or break” elements obviously have to be there. I’m not saying throw on a robe and hold a lightsaber and you are approved. Far from it. It needs to look like the references. But there are details of certain characters that aren’t known to the general public and their inclusion or omission doesn’t really change the overall look or ability to identify that character. The details of these items don’t need to be restrictive.

Once you have detailed every minute element, then it needs to be followed.

If we describe the element accurately but with out the minutiae it allows the costume to be judged to a high standard but isn’t so restrictive that no one is approved.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest the following modifications:

Belt:
- Reddish brown leather or leather-like
- Rectangular buckle with rounded corners, metallic weathered. Brass shade is preferred.
- On the right side of buckle is a hexagon leather piece with two rivets.
- On the left side of buckle is a Lightsaber metal hook, fixed with two rivets.
- On the left side of belt is a D-ring suspended by a leather strap fixed with a rivet.

Pouch:
- Reddish brown leather or leather-like. Placed on the right side of belt.
- Banana-shaped pouch approximately 5.5" height, 3.5” width. Have a semi-circle shaped flap with snaps.
- It hangs on flaps with D-rings and rivets.

Boots:
- Reddish brown leather or leather-like.
- Instep without decorations, laces or zippers.
- If a zipper is needed, can be hidden at the inside shaft.

Pants:
- Beige pants tucked inside boots.


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