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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice reference digging all. That sleeve seam is a good find. That should certainly go in as an optional detail.

I support the ribbing on the collar as optional and a dark brown to black collar. It's the range of screen accurate (looks super dark in the movie) to actually chocolate brown in person. Thanks for pulling this all together Bekah.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree. The seam should be an optional item. Do we know if it's a full seam continuing up the arm or a patch sewn on that turns down again on the other side?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finding this thread late so sorry for late weigh-in on the vest color. I saw this costume in person too (was in the traveling exhibit so I know a lot of us across the US did) and to me it was unmistakably green. It photographs so oddly because as we all know the lighting in the exhibit was very low and as Lisa correctly noted, colors read so different to different eyes and on different screens. Is it possible to include verbiage that allowed both gray or green? Just my $0.02
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And you are sure it wasn't the lighting of the place making it look that way? Exhibit lighting is not known for being great.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it helps at all, I have some potential good news on this? I did some research and found out a way to contact Trisha directly. I emailed and received a positive response!
For the record, I sent a color pull my buddy at Sony did for me and asked for confirmation on a few things we were discussing here.




She's currently on set so the email said it may take her awhile to get back to me but seems like we may get our questions answered by the actual designer. Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to chine in here about colors. We need to be flexible because we are looking for screen accurate and when we say this we need to keep in mind the colors may be different than what we see in real life. Movies are processed and color corrected so colors may not be true to how they were actially made. Even if the costume designer responds it should not dictate the standard, the standard should be based on the various reference we have which then should encompass a range of shades.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreeing with Blair on colors, Darth Maul is a great example. His costume was made with dark greens and blues, not black, because true black just doesn’t work in the movie world.

I think still using grey as the main color and having a hint of teal is safest, so we can give the option if someone desires some teal. Especially since like it’s been stated, we don’t want full green vests for this costume.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m all for a range of shades being accepted as it appears different colors in different shots both on film and on display. It would still be wonderful to get feedback from her should she respond back so here is hoping.
In addition, I’m still not seeing teal in any form. Perhaps a different color option could be used. Teal has a blue/green tiny and I believe we can all agree there is definitely no blue on this look.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Blair pointed out we do our own research and make our standards first and foremost based on screen references. We strive for screen accuracy or as close as possible, which has long been the goal of the legion.
To create standards we make use of various references, but our primary references are always those coming from the media the costume is seen in. (Movies, games, comics etc.).

As a detachment (and legion) we consider it bad form to contact the people, who previously worked on the movies to ask them questions outside of official Q&A sessions.
Please remember that these people have other projects now and every question they have to answer will take time away from their current work. Add to that that it has been 15-20 years since these movies were made and they may not remember the details any more.
So we ask all members to refrain from contacting the people behind the movies directly to ask detailed questions about this and that, but instead reserve questions for official sessions and try not to get too caught up in details they may not be able to answer anyway. General questions would be much better in such a situation. Smile

Remember that part of being a costumer is doing a lot of research and sharing it with others is how we build up our amazing communities.
We who are here today build upon the knowledge found and shared with us by those who came before, and those that come after us will make use of what we shared to build further upon our collective knowledge.
We learn through trial and error and by bouncing ideas, research, and thoughts off other costumers with the same passion as ourselves.

Would I love to know the exact dye formula for Jocasta Nu or what specific colors were used for the flame gown? Yes, I'd love it. But I do not expect the costume designers to remember those details nor to share them with me even if they did since such details could be integral to their work past and present.
Instead I do my own research no matter how long it takes, and how much trial and error, it may take to get it right. And that's all part of this hobby.

Some costumes are easier to do than others and just the way it is. We try to make the standards so they will be easy to understand and allow for a bit of elbow room and different skill levels, but we also have to keep them fairly tight to avoid confusion or problems in translation. It's a balance act and many people look a standard over to ensure we hit the right level.

Now let us return to what the discussion is actually about: making a good, workable standard for this costume. Smile

I can see the argument that teal might lean too far to the blue side of the blue-green scale, so I was looking into different similar colors and found viridian as a good color option. Viridian is much like teal in shade, but only more green than blue on the blue-green scale.
What do you think? The search results looked pretty good to me. And it seems to be a fairly universal color name, too.

Otherwise it looks like we have most of it done, except for some images. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for wrestling with this. I am sorry I have not been able to respond to this sooner, having been out of town for work for the week.

I agree with everything Lora and Blair have said. This research is both our responsibility and our joy, not to burden the professionals that brought us the movies with. And, even if she does respond, whatever the response is, our standards need to accommodate the range of accurate from physical fabric to promo shots, to what appeared on screen. All of these are “accurate” depending on what each costumer is going for.

So, that said, here’s a collation of the comments in the discussion so far:

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Standard Name: Padme Amidala Naboo Fighter Pilot
Primary Detachment: Rebel Legion Galactic Senate
Submission Date:
Existing Standard URL: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/padme-amidala-naboo-fighter-pilot-episode-ii-attack-of-the-clones/

Front Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-1.jpg

Back Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-6.jpg

Character Description
Padmé Amidala was a courageous, hopeful leader, serving as Queen and then Senator of Naboo -- and was also handy with a blaster. Despite her ideals and all she did for the cause of peace, her secret, forbidden marriage to Jedi Anakin Skywalker would prove to have dire consequences for the galaxy. (Source: Star Wars Databank)

Required Items

Shirt

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/maggie/pilot1_med.jpg

Required Details:

- Close-fitting, long-sleeved shirt of a medium chestnut brown suede or suede-like fabric
- Worn untucked from the pants
- Shirt does not extend past the bottom curve of the vest
- A tall, fitted collar and yoke in a dark brown or black color, extends from the shirt under the vest

Optional Details:
- Collar may be made of a vertically ribbed fabric
- Collar may be a dickie or part of the suede shirt

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-4.jpg
URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=24&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/kd165_med.jpg

Pants

Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-2.jpg

Required Details:
-Fitted leggings in a tomato red stretch fabric with a matte or subtle sheen.

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/kd166_med.jpg

Vest

Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-5.jpg

Required Details:

- Fitted vest of a charcoal gray leather or leather-like material
- Has a short V neckline that does not extend past collarbone
- A short front contoured hem should reach above the crotch, with a longer back hem reaching just bellow the butt
- Vest has double beveling detail on all edges, similar to piping, with the outermost edge being thicker than the inner. Beveling does not extend over shoulders.
- Over the right shoulder there is a rectangular flap that allows wearer to easily put on the vest, closes with Velcro, snaps, or similar (closure is not visible)
- Right side of vest should also open to allow easy wearing, closes with snaps (closure is not visible)
- The shoulder and waist on the left side have no openings

Optional Details:
- Vest material may have teal or viridian undertones

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-6.jpg
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/new1.jpg
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/dtg1.jpg

Boots

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/flightsuit_visualdictionary.jpg

Required Details:

- Knee-high, low-heeled, riding-style dark brown suede or suede-like boots (heels no higher than 1” / 2.5 cm)
- Each boot has a dark brown leather or leather-like wide strap with a square brass buckle on the front of the ankle. The buckle is on the outside of leg.
- A dark brown leather or leather-like long, narrow trapezoidal pouch at the top of the boot shaft on the outside of the leg. The straps have a beveled detail

Optional Details:
- Boots may have brown or hidden zippers inside the leg.

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-5.jpg
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/chronicles2.jpg

Belt

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/dm39_med.jpg

Required Details:

- Belt of a medium brown leather or faux leather material, with two lines of tooling or stitching running across in the middle
- An ornate, filigree brass / bright gold buckle sits on the front
- Two medium brown leather or faux leather pouches sit on both sides, with two thin flap closures that extend from the inside and attach using brass snaps. Five thick vertical lines, tallest in the middle and shorter on the sides, sit right below the closure.

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=277&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=279&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/maggie/pilot1_med.jpg

Gloves

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/kd168_med.jpg

Required Details:

- Leather or leather-like gloves in a medium chestnut brown
- Gloves are lighter in color than the vambraces

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/fidm/dm38_med.jpg
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/makingof5.jpg

Vambraces

Image URL: https://i.imgur.com/jbRuWAi.jpg

Required Details:

- Dark brown hard material (plastic or similar preferred) vambraces that span from mid-forearm to flair over the knuckles
- Vambraces are painted for shading and texture.
- A double beveling detail is around all edges of the bracer, with no breaks in the design, similar to piping.
- Outside beveling is thicker than the inside, with the outside meeting and spanning straight down the front forearm of the bracer.
- Vambraces are loose on the wearer, with no visible closers

Optional Details:
None

Additional Images:

URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=21&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/makingof5.jpg

Hair

Image URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-6.jpg

Required Details:

- Hair is parted at the center and gathered at the nape of the neck so that it cannot be easily seen head-on from the front
- Hair is split into 6 thin ponytails, each secured with 4 decorative silver rings evenly spaced down the hair. The middle two rings on each ponytail are placed together.
- The rings are roughly the same height as they are wide.
- Each ponytail is tied off at shoulder blade height with a thin silver wire wrapped around the hair
- The hair should be long (reaching just past the belt preferred)
- Naturally occurring hair colors only (brown recommended); no bangs.

Optional Details:

- A decorative design is painted or engraved onto each of the four silver rings
-If a wig or extensions are used, they must be of high quality and appear like real hair.

Additional Images:

URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-11.jpg
URL: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pilot-7.jpg

Optional Items

Helmet

Image URL: http://www.padawansguide.com/padme/flightsuit/helmet.jpg
Naboo N-1 flight helmet with full yellow face shield

Additional Images:

URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=20&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
URL: http://imageevent.com/kay_dee/fidm/padme?p=278&n=1&m=45&c=5&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2

Costume Resources:
• Reference Photo Gallery – http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/padme-amidala-attack-of-the-clones-pilot-disguise/
• Member Build Threads – http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1028476#1028476
• Padawan’s Guide Padme Pilot Page – http://www.padawansguide.com/flightsuit.shtml
• SWFFAQ Padme Pilot Page – http://rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/pilot.php


We’ll still need to replace some of the images to make sure we are crediting all of the exhibit photographers, but we can move forward based on this draft.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Viridian is an interesting color. I’ve not seen that one before. Is the wording on the color going to be amended to add that suggestion or something like it?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's added under optional for the vest. Smile

Optional Details:
- Vest material may have teal or viridian undertones
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lora Skywalker wrote:
It's added under optional for the vest. Smile

Optional Details:
- Vest material may have teal or viridian undertones


Ahh. Missed that. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alrighty, since it's been 2 weeks since we had any comments, I think this is ready to go to the LMO team for review.
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