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Jyn Imperial Ground Crew Disguise - Pre-Standards Discussion
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it looks good. Smile

I did post a heads up on the 501st board, just to let people know about Rogue Detachment and that we're discussing standards here. From the comments so far, my guess is that the color is going to be the biggest issue. Your color swatches might be really helpful to post along with the jumpsuit standards.

http://imperialgunners.com/forums/index.php?/topic/2543-imperial-ground-crew-research-and-discussion/&page=11&tab=comments#comment-56680
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leia wrote:
jen0farc wrote:
Agreed, we want to use broad enough language in all aspects of the standard to make sure that we are not forcing any applicant to require two suits if they want to join both clubs.


Is there a way we can ask someone 501st if there's going to be any problems approving the flightsuit if we have it fitting loosely as it does on Jyn? That's the only point I see that might cause an approval problem.


My GML specifically denied my first submission as my flightsuit was “too fitted”. Not sure if that is specific to just my Garrison but I was told that directly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should be relaxed fit even on Kent Deezling, I was more worried about if they would deny it for being too baggy if it fit like on Jyn. I don't recall them saying anything about fit, so I think we'll bring it up to them. I think the suit used in the CRL pic looks too fitted, so I'm surprised they denied it for that when they said nothing about fit. Neutral
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confused about the ends of the mandarin collar being rounded? I think about the ends being the top of the collar where it starts on each side as it goes around. When I look at this picture: https://i.stack.imgur.com/wzPCk.jpg it doesn't look rounded to me so I think I'm looking at the wrong thing? Can someone help?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can see it in that picture, where the mandarin collar opens, it's a soft rounded corner and not a sharp 90 degree angle. I can see if I have a better pic when I'm on my computer...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leia wrote:
I'm not even sure about mentioning weathering because I'm not seeing much of anything clearly on the suit


The area around the compad looks pretty weathered. The whole suit is super faded, of course, but unless that area is *especially* faded, it seems kinda like there is weathering in that area, at least. Not sure if it's enough to mandate demanding it as part of the Standards, but it's something to consider.

Leia wrote:
You can see it in that picture, where the mandarin collar opens, it's a soft rounded corner and not a sharp 90 degree angle. I can see if I have a better pic when I'm on my computer...


Yes, the tips of the collar are definitely super rounded, not a sharp bend at all. It actually creates a bit of a V-shaped opening from the fabric curve rather than just a slit where the ends come together, like on an Imperial Officer's collar.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a close up of the collar:


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two questions:

1. I can see where the collar closure ends (about even with the right hand shoulder seam), but where does the other end start? Does it wrap all the way around the neck, or just half way?

2. Is there top stitching in the center of the back yoke? The first picture looks like two lines below the neck, and the doll looks like it has squares?



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at these two pictures, I'm going to say the closure strap is topstitched all the way around the collar starting at the right front and wrapping left.



We probably don't need to note the weird mid-back square at all since it's never seen as appears to serve no function. I'm putting in in my suit because I'm psycho like that, but can't for the life of me think of a reason for it's existence unless she was harnessed up for some kind of wirework.

As for topstitched squares, on the toy it looks like three, in different sizes, as if they were maybe stitched in labels? Do we want to note this?




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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leia wrote:
Looking at these two pictures, I'm going to say the closure strap is topstitched all the way around the collar starting at the right front and wrapping left.


Ok, thanks. That makes sense.

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We probably don't need to note the weird mid-back square at all since it's never seen as appears to serve no function. I'm putting in in my suit because I'm psycho like that, but can't for the life of me think of a reason for it's existence unless she was harnessed up for some kind of wirework.

Yeah, I don't think we should require it. My guess is that it's a vent - I'm going put it in mine and line the square with some thin cotton, so hopefully the suit breathes a little better.

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As for topstitched squares, on the toy it looks like three, in different sizes, as if they were maybe stitched in labels? Do we want to note this?

I think we could put it in as optional. Technically, to be screen accurate you'd need them, but they're hard to see and few people are going to notice if they're not there.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those squares look like stitched in tags!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I can appreciate all the little details, I would suggest the ones that are "hidden" by the armor be listed as optional. That can be there for the costumers who wish to go that extra step in accuracy in their costumes.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a little in and out because it's Dragon Con crunch time, but we got to get moving on this, apparently they are approving people without a standard Confused

What say we move on to the armor, shall we?

Also, can a mod move this to the Rogue Detachment forum when it opens please?

Actually, let's knock out the smaller items before we tackle the armor. How about knee pads? I say Jabari's wording is good with no changes.

Knee Pads

  • Knee pads are a hard black trapezoidal dome with rounded corners, mounted on a black fabric pad.
  • Dome has four round caps, one in each corner.
  • The top strap, on the wider end of the trapezoid, wraps all the way around the leg and connects to the front of the pad.
  • The bottom strap passes through a black metal or plastic buckle on the side of the pad and fastens at the back of the knee.
  • Knee pads are weathered.

    -Optional Details
    Straps may be topstitched with several rows of black topstitching.


I'm having trouble finding a good shot of the knee, is it topstitched, or just ribbed?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Costumes are approved without standards every single day, the RL charter allows this. See article II, fourth paragraph: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/legion-charter/#3.
As a fringe LCJ the majority of the different costumes I evaluate have no standard at all. This is extremely common and in no way an anomaly.

A reminder that the disparaging of the work of those who have already worked so hard to build this costume has no place in this discussion here or on Facebook or anywhere else. Such comments and insinuations are unnecessary and uncalled for.

This discussion will remain where it is for now since the Rogue Detachment subsection of the UCGR is visible by Rogue Detachment members only. Everyone should be able to continue to view and contribute, not just the few.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody was disparaging anybody's costume? Please don't insinuate that I did. My words were completely misconstrued.

Back in "the day", I was told that if someone wanted to submit a costume that didn't have a standard, to write one. Which is exactly what we are doing here, which I thought would be commendable given that in this day most people don't try to submit standards anymore, or are participating in the discussion. I only asked about moving it because I assumed a standard discussion belonged in the assigned costume forum, also since there is a "standards discussion" forum. Everyone has been more than welcome to contribute and we've posted a few times on the boards to let people know this was going on.
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