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 Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:22 pm Post subject: Standards Revision: Hoth Leia
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The public discussion has come to these standards as a proposed revision. Please do continue that discussion here:
| Quote: | 2017 Hoth Leia Standards Revision
(Revised from 2012 suggested Hoth Leia standards)
Required Items:
1. Jumpsuit
a. White jumpsuit in a non-shiny fabric with an upper front yoke seam with flat-felled double top-stitched seam.
b. Center back seam.
c. Back yoke seam, contoured to a slight V-shape, flat-felled with topstitching
d. Standing collar of two horizontal pieces, padded with piping trim around the collar edge and at the two-piece seam
e. Side front and side back bodice sections above the waist have a rounded and contoured diagonal quilted zig-zag design with piping trim in the princess seams
f. Contoured pill-shaped padded patches on the upper and lower arms with a rounded and contoured diagonal quilted zig-zag design; patches should be proportional to the sleeves.
g. Larger contoured pill-shaped padded patches on the front thighs with a rounded and contoured diagonal quilted zig-zag design; patches should be proportionate to upper pant legs.
h. Sleeves end at the wrists and pant legs end just below the ankle line
i. Center front zipper covered by a topstitched placket sewn to the right side and bottom of the zipper
j. Topstitching at the wrists and hems.
k. Waist-length, top-stitched matching belt, 2” [color=blue](5 cm) wide, closed with a single large pant hook/eye.
l. Two narrow belt loops/carriages, one attached to each side seam
m. A padded jumpsuit is preferred but not required.
2. Vest[/color]
a. Off-white or cream padded vest
b. Upper padded front and back yokes with topstitched fabric insignia “frame”, proportionate to the upper left yoke and insignia size, with piping in the yoke seam, both back and front
c. Semi-circular, fully padded, rounded fold-over collar with piping trim
d. Large, square diamond-shaped quilting below the yoke. Squares should be roughly 3.5" (9 cm) on each side.
e. Faux, trapezoidal pocket flaps over full long pockets from the waist down of a single layer of fabric and topstitching at the edges; the vest is quilted all the way to the hem and the silhouette of the diamond quilting can be seen through the thin, single layer pocket bags.
f. Top stitching at the armholes, center front and hem edges
3. Rank insignia on upper left side of the vest yoke. Rank badge is cool gray with black details and gray-blue and red-orange raised squares along the top.
4. Wrist communicator attached to the left forearm quilted patch. Wrist communicator is cool gray with silver details.
5. Boots
a. Medium gray leather or non-shiny vinyl, 1”-3” (2.5 cm - 7.5 cm) wedge-heel knee-high boots, with three slightly darker gray suede 1” (2.5 cm) wide straps,
b. Worn with the jumpsuit pant legs tucked in.
c. Both open boot shafts with a tongue (Hoth Base version) or plain boots shafts with a plain inside zip (Falcon version) are approvable.
6. Hair pulled back into braids that wraps around the head. Naturally-occurring hair color only (brown recommended); no bangs.
Optional Items:
1.Off-white or cream leather gloves
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This discussion will remain open for two weeks or until a consensus is reached.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:47 pm Post subject:
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And changes regarding the jumpsuit should of course be copied into the Bespin Escape standard. 
Actually, thinking of it, should we combine it into one with two versions instead? Same jumpsuit after all. If you think this is a bad idea, then you may ignore the suggestion. 
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SongofAmazon (Jenna)
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:54 am Post subject:
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We have a number of costumes like this, and I think that it could get messy if we started combining them all. I am personally in favor of keeping them as separate costumes.
What do other folks think about that?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:23 am Post subject:
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Can I propose solution 3 ?
We keep 2 separated standards on the website. However. in the CRL of this one for example ...
1. Jumpsuit
Need to be similar to the one of the Bespin Escape Leia. Please check those standards (link) for details.
Like that when one of the two is updated, the other is also, which avoid to forgot they are the same and that they should be updated the same ?
Also maybe add a note it's same jumpsuit so people know there is a link and they can also use ref pics of the other costume for this specific part of the costume ??? |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:13 pm Post subject:
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Yep, the idea to combine was to avoid only one getting updated and then having two conflicting standards. It would be the same that has been done with Scavenger Rey and her various parts that goes on and off.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:58 pm Post subject:
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sorry guys, I'm coming in late.... should we change the description of the diamonds on the vest to also discuss their proportions related to the wearer? For example, on Carrie there were about 3 diamonds down her center back, and that would look different on everyone based on their body size...
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:45 am Post subject:
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That's a good thought. Something simple like "diamonds should be proportional to the wearer" would probably be enough.
From a judging perspective, combining standards would mean that people could submit details for both costumes in one application. Do you think we risk people applying with one variant first (Escape ver.) and getting that approved, then because they have that costume already approved, just trooping with the Hoth Leia parts because that 'costume' was already approved. For the approval process, it seems to me that it should be two separate costumes to avoid the perception that it's one costume with different details, since both costumes are popular enough.
That said, the link between standards could be a smart way around that. What do others think about that potential issue?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:15 pm Post subject:
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| SongofAmazon wrote: | That's a good thought. Something simple like "diamonds should be proportional to the wearer" would probably be enough.
From a judging perspective, combining standards would mean that people could submit details for both costumes in one application. Do you think we risk people applying with one variant first (Escape ver.) and getting that approved, then because they have that costume already approved, just trooping with the Hoth Leia parts because that 'costume' was already approved. For the approval process, it seems to me that it should be two separate costumes to avoid the perception that it's one costume with different details, since both costumes are popular enough.
That said, the link between standards could be a smart way around that. What do others think about that potential issue? |
I understand your concern about that. Fair point. Then indeed the solution either
1) Just put a link to each others costume standards with a mention of that similar part.
2) Put the description of the similar part only in costume A (with mention it's same in costume B and link to it) and in costume B standard put "see this part in costume A standards" with a link to standard A |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:58 pm Post subject:
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I'd simply write what goes for both costumes, then, very clearly, mark what goes with what version of it.
Like 'Base costume', then 'To be approved you must also have either Style A or Style B': 'Style A - Hoth' and 'Style B - Bespin'.
From a standards perspective I think it would be easier to maintain and update in the future and avoid contradicting standards. We do have a few costumes were the same base costume is used/reused, and for me it makes sense to combine those into one, listing the variations as different styles/variations.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:31 am Post subject:
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I think that would be doable, only if we mention that both have to be approved separately. That could steer clear of people wearing an unapproved variation of it.
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Of course. Each variation is a new costume/approval. You just see the some of the same parts used for both.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:19 am Post subject:
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So here's an potential idea of how we could combine the two standards:
| Quote: | Hoth & Bespin Escape Jumpsuit
Hoth Version: Jumpsuit, vest, rank insignia, wrist communicator, knee-high wedge boots, crown braid hair style (optional gloves)
Bespin Escape Version: Jumpsuit, ankle heeled boots, hair in bun with braided loops (optional blaster)
(Each version must be approved separately.)
Both Versions
1. Jumpsuit
a. White jumpsuit in a non-shiny fabric with an upper front yoke seam with flat-felled double top-stitched seam.
b. Center back seam.
c. Back yoke seam, contoured to a slight V-shape, flat-felled with topstitching
d. Standing collar of two horizontal pieces, padded with piping trim around the collar edge and at the two-piece seam.
e. Side front and side back bodice sections above the waist have a rounded and contoured diagonal quilted zig-zag design with piping trim in the princess seams
f. Contoured pill-shaped padded patches on the upper and lower arms with a rounded and contoured diagonal quilted zig-zag design; patches should be proportional to the sleeves.
g. Larger contoured pill-shaped padded patches on the front thighs with a rounded and contoured diagonal quilted zig-zag design; patches should be proportionate to upper pant legs.
h. Sleeves end at the wrists and pant legs end just below the ankle line.
i. Center front zipper covered by a topstitched placket sewn to the right side and bottom of the zipper .
j. Topstitching at the wrists and hems.
k. Waist-length, top-stitched matching belt, 2” wide (2 cm), closed with a single large pant hook/eye.
l. Two narrow belt loops/carriages, one attached to each side seam.
m. A padded jumpsuit is preferred but not required.
Hoth Version
2. Vest
a. Off-white or cream padded vest
b. Upper padded front and back yokes with topstitched fabric insignia “frame”, proportionate to the upper left yoke and insignia size, with piping in the yoke seam, both back and front
c. Semi-circular, fully padded, rounded fold-over collar with piping trim
d. Large, square diamond-shaped quilting below the yoke. Diamonds should be proportional to the wearer. Suggested size: roughly 3.5" (9 cm) on each side.
e. Faux, trapezoidal pocket flaps over full long pockets from the waist down of a single layer of fabric and topstitching at the edges; the vest is quilted all the way to the hem and the silhouette of the diamond quilting can be seen through the thin, single layer pocket bags.
f. Top stitching at the armholes, center front and hem edges
3. Rank insignia on upper left side of the vest yoke. Rank badge is cool gray with black details and gray-blue and red-orange raised squares along the top.
4. Wrist communicator attached to the left forearm quilted patch. Wrist communicator is cool gray with silver details.
5. Boots
a. Medium gray leather or non-shiny vinyl, 1”-3” (2.5 cm - 7.5 cm) wedge-heel knee-high boots, with three slightly darker gray suede 1” (2.5 cm) wide straps,
b. Worn with the jumpsuit pant legs tucked in.
c. Both open boot shafts with a tongue (Hoth Base version) or plain boots shafts with a plain inside zip (Falcon version) are approvable.
6. Hair pulled back into braids that wraps around the head. Naturally-occurring hair color only (brown recommended); no bangs. If a wig or hair pieces are used, they should be of high quality and appear like real hair.
Optional Item:
1. Off-white or cream leather gloves
Bespin Version
2.Boots
a. White, non-shiny leather or vinyl boots with a 1” to 2” (2.5 cm – 5 cm) heel (2” / 5 cm recommended)
b. Worn tucked underneath the jumpsuit.
3. Hair
a. Hair is pulled back to the crown of the head and into a twisted bun.
b. Descending from the under bun are two looped braids. These braids should be full and thick and reach down to the base of the neck.
c. The side hairs over the ears should be loose and curly.
d. Naturally occurring hair colors only; no bangs. Brown hair recommended. If a wig or hair pieces are used, they should be of high quality and appear like real hair.
Optional Item:
1. E-11 Stormtrooper blaster
Hoth Jumpsuit Reference Gallery: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/?portfolio=princess-leia-organa-hoth-gear
Bespin Escape Jumpsuit Reference Gallery: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/?portfolio=princess-leia-organa-bespin-escape-jumpsuit
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Do you all think that achieves our goal?
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I think it does. We can fiddle with it if needed, but overall it shows that it's the same jumpsuit for both costumes.
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Since there have been no further comments on this, the thread is locked and the standard moved to the CSC.
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