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Prequel Style Jedi - Costume Standard Proposal (Part II)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:36 pm    Post subject: Prequel Style Jedi - Costume Standard Proposal (Part II) Reply with quote

Hello everyone!

Please have a look at the following costume standard proposal and post your thoughts, ideas, suggestions in this thread.

This will be one of a few 'generic' jedi categories. As there are many eras emcompassing many different looks, the idea was to categorise each era with their specific generic looks.

Currently, the generic categories we have are:

Generic Old Republic Jedi
Generic KOTOR I Jedi
Generic Jedi General (Clone Wars)
The Old Republic Armoured Jedi
and the Standard Generic Jedi

This proposal was the winning entry of the first vote and that we will take as a base to reach the final proposal.

Initial discussion I'd like to set as two weeks, but I understand we may need longer, let's see how it goes

Current Custome Standard

http://www.rebellegion.com/jedi-costume-standards-generic/

Proposed Custome Standard

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Prequel Style Jedi Costume Standards

Home Description: "This costume standard encompasses styles seen in Episodes I-III, animated series as The Clone War, videogames, prequel comics, and New Republic comics / Books that include a typical Jedi tunic / tabard / obi combination."

Required:

1. Outer tunic (OT):
a. Sleeves can be to knuckles, sleeveless or any length in between. Sleeves shorter than wrist can only be worn with an IT.
No vests, or sleeveless V-neck type sweaters may be worn as a sleeveless OT.
b. No martial arts wear allowed. (E.g. judo/karate gi).
c. All OT's must have a left & right front panel which overlap.
d. OTs must have a collar (approximately 1 inch to 2 inches wide).
e. OTs must completely cover the buttocks and crotch, and may extent to to any length between the minimum and ankle.

Inner Tunic (IT):
Inner Tunic or Under Tunic may be any of the styles as seen in Episode I-III.
a. If the OT is sleeveless or short sleeved, then an IT must be worn and must have long sleeves.


Examples of acceptable Inner Tunics can be found here-

http://www.kjo.rebellegion.com/?portfolio=generic-jedi-inner-tunics

3. Tabards:
Tabards must extend at least to or past the bottom hem of the OT and be the same length in front and back. Alternatively, the back tabards may end under the obi.
For OTs that are past the knee the tabard may be shorter than the OT, but no shorter than knee length.
a. Tabards must not cross in front. Tabards may partly cross in the back.
b. Scarf-style tabards, (two front tabbards, which are joined around the neck), are permitted.
c. The end of the front tabard(s) may have a variable shape. (Square, rounded, triangular).
d. Tabards may have borders and/or varying decorative symbols or other decorations (such as a geometric pattern). The decorations/designs must not obviously be from an Earth-bound period or culture (Renaissance, Celtic, Asian, tribal, etc.)

*Optional

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e. Leather or pleather tabards are permitted.
f. Tabard width should generally be from the seam at the collar of the OT to the edge of the shoulder (and be a similar width as the obi). The width should be the same all the way down. The width must be proportional to the costumer’s body.
g. Tabards must be the same color on both sides.


4. Obi (Sash):
The obi wraps around the waist, and must be wider than the belt and/or of a similar width as the tabards.
a. Obi closures (velcro, snaps, etc.) must not be visible.
b. Leather or pleather obi are permitted.
c. Obi may have borders.

5. Jedi Belt:
Black or Brown Utility Belt (all belts must be proportional to wearer):

* Style A: Similar to Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon belt:
Wide main leather belt with a narrow secondary leather belt on top of the main belt, with a movie-style or similar buckle on only the secondary belt.
a. The narrow secondary belt cannot be loose or "sag".
b. The narrow secondary belt must be held in place by at least 8 button studs.
Belt can be two toned.

* Style B: Similar to Adi Gallia's belt:
Wide main leather belt with a smaller leather belt woven through the wider belt. Smaller belt should not have a buckle in front. No button studs.
Belt can be two toned.


a. Belts in all styles are generally two inches to two and a half inches wide, but the width must be in proportion to the wearer. Very tall or large costumers may need a wider belt. Very short people may need a narrower belt.
b. Belt closures (velcro, snaps, etc.) must not be visible.
c. No Earth-bound buckles or buckles that obviously belong to an Earth-bound period, culture or to other sci-fi/fantasy genres.

6. Jedi Pouches:
One or more utility pouches or resin cast utility boxes. ( Leather or leather-like material or resin cast boxes, as seen in the Star Wars universe. )
b. The paint scheme on resin cast boxes should blend well with the overall costume.

7. Food pellets/capsules (at least one set of four)
Food pellets/capsules should be painted a metallic color and may be gold, silver, bronze, copper or pewter. Other metallic colors are not permitted.

8. Lightsaber:
No plastic toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber. The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt only). Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects are allowed, but not required.
a. Metal hilt lightsabers are preferred, though custom lightsabers constructed of other materials are permitted.
b. Blade colors accepted are: blue, green, yellow, orange, white and violet. No red, pink or black blades.
c. Double-blade sabers are allowed.


9. Lightsaber Clip:
Covertec or similar style lightsaber clip. The hook for D-ring sabers is also possible


10. Pants or skirt:
a. Pants should be plain solid fabrics without decoration. No visible pockets.
b. No cargo pants.
d. No hakamas.
e. Skirts must be long enough so that no bare skin is visible, and may be floor length.
f. No Corellian Blood Stripes (Han Solo Pants).

11. Boots:
Brown or Black Boots – Leather or leather-like (no rubber boots).
a. Above the calf or mid calf, but not above the knee.
b. No visible laces or outside zippers. Zippers on the inside of the leg are permitted.
c. Straps & shin-spats are allowed, but not required (though can be used to cover laces and zippers).
d. Black can only be worm with black and brown can only be worn with brown. No black/brown combinations.
e. Buckles are permitted, but should not detract from the overall look of the Jedi costume.
f. Flat or low-heeled, 2 inches maximum. Spike heels are not permitted.


12. No visible t-shirts.

13. Permitted Colors for Outer Tunics, Inner Tunics, Tabards, Obi, Pants/Skirt: Earth tone colors, preferably shades of brown, gray, black and white.
Other earth tones allowed: greens, blues, yellows, violets and reds, but they should be of low saturation (muted).




No bright or loud (sharp) colors are allowed (examples would include: bright red/blue, pink, neon green, canary yellow etc.).


Combinations of red and black are not allowed, as they are considered Sith colors.

Legion Costume Judges are the final authority on color. If in doubt, contact a Legion Costume Judge for an opinion on proposed color combinations before construction.

OPTIONAL

Jedi Robe or Cloak:
Large Jedi robe or cloak with attached over-sized hood, similar to Prequel movie canon robes/cloaks, brown, cream or black colors. Brown preferred.
a. A hooded cloak with side splits is permitted, or a sleeveless surcoat simlar to that worm by Ki Adi Mundi and Sarrissa Jeng.
b. The hood must be large enough so that (1) when the hood is up, the sides of the hood drape to extend to or cover the shoulders and (2) when down, the tip of the hood should fall near the small of the back (or lower).
c. The sleeves must be full and flare larger at the cuff. The circumference of the cuff should be at least as long as the sleeve (from shoulder to the hem).
d. The overall body of the robe or cloak/cape must be full.
f. The length of the robe or cloak/cape should be hemmed no shorter than the ankles.
g. No robe/cloak that is unique to a face character. Example: Count Dooku's cloak with neck chain or Barriss Offee's blue and grey pattern.


Additional Notes:

a. Accessories may include: eye-wear, face coverings and jewelry.
Though not required, applicants are encouraged to provide precedence (of their accessory of choice) within the Star Wars universe.
b. Arm wraps are permitted provided they are of a style similar to what is seen in the Star Wars universe.
c. They may also include other accessories used by jedi like the aqua breather and comlink. The comlink must be in the styles seen in the PT movies and CW series.


Full list of species that can be Jedis with sources

Please note that some of these species can't be used for the PT era jedi due to their physique. The individual face characters can always be made.

Twi'lek( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aayla_Secura )
Togruta( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shaak_Ti )
Mon Calamari ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cilghal)
chaddra fan( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tekli)
Ithorian( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Byph)
Talz( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Foul_Moudama)
Rodian( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bolla_Ropal)
Kel Dor( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Plo_Koon)
Iktotchi( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Saesee_Tiin)
Lannik( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Even_Piell)
Thisspiasian( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Oppo_Rancisis)
Tholothian( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Adi_Gallia)
Quermian( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yarael_Poof)
Zabrak( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Maris_Brood)
Vurk( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coleman_Trebor)
Nautolan( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kit_Fisto)
Mirialan( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Barriss_Offee)
Neti( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T%27ra_Saa)
Ongree( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pablo-Jill)
Wookiee( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tyvokka)
Shistavanen( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Voolvif_Monn)
Nikto( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/J%27oopi_Sh%C3%A9)
Aleena( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tsui_Choi)
Whiphid( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/K%27Kruhk)
Yuzzem( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Barratk%27l)
Ramoan( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bazel_Warv)
Barabel ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bazel_Warv)
Cathar( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Juhani)
Selonian ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zonder)
Chev ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tresina_Lobi)
Arkanian ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Arca_Jeth)
Kiffar ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Quinlan_Vos)
Cerean ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ki-Adi-Mundi)
Sullustan ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Elora_Sund)
Fallen ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zule_Xiss)
Caamasi ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ylenic_It%27kla)
Gand ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vaabesh)
Besalisk ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pong_Krell)
Arcona ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Izal_Waz )
Aqualish ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Windo_Nend )
Fosh( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vergere )
Chiss ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nuru_Kungurama )
Pau'an ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lar_Le%27Ung)
Bith ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Bith_Jedi_%28Yinchorri_Uprising%29 )
Ewok ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Ewok_Jedi )

Important Note: You can consult the list to see if it's possible that the selected specie may be Jedi. That list is a guide that help if your chosen specie can be used in a Jedi costume.

These costume standards are designed as guidelines and that if in any doubt on any requirement please contact the BMO, DCO,DXO or costume judge. OR better still create a Work In Progress thread on the rebellion forum.


Document with the comparison between the two standards (created by Nik)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18wEYDxsJC8IGYE9N7WARqVmpJGBOiJF3zJ5Gt7VzfSM/edit

Thank you so much!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Additional Notes:

a. Accessories may include: eye-wear, face coverings and jewelry.


Applicants should not wear eyeglasses in their profile pictures. Understandably, people need to wear them to see, I do it myself, but not in the formal profile pictures. They shouldn't be wearing earth-style jewelery, either, especially wedding rings.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note, the no glasses thing was a previous administration policy. I expect the argument will continue. The biggest issue I see with them is they can be very hard to photoshop for the profile pic.

As to the standard, are we really trying for a prequel Jedi as it's titled or is this just a generic Jedi standard. The differences in what is supported by reference materials are HUGE.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say this is a standard for 'tunic and tabbards style jedi' or whatever we end up naming it, and not for a specific time period. That seems to be where it has been going, so it would be strange to change it now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my comparison, I labeled the new one "Traditional Generic Jedi Standard"... does that help with removing the "prequel" label?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rogue9607 wrote:
In my comparison, I labeled the new one "Traditional Generic Jedi Standard"... does that help with removing the "prequel" label?


I can go with that Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rogue9607 wrote:
In my comparison, I labeled the new one "Traditional Generic Jedi Standard"... does that help with removing the "prequel" label?


I like this title. Also in the future, we can make a Custome Standard to Jedis of New Republic (post-Battle of Yavin).,

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Additional Notes:

a. Accessories may include: eye-wear, face coverings and jewelry.


Applicants should not wear eyeglasses in their profile pictures. Understandably, people need to wear them to see, I do it myself, but not in the formal profile pictures. They shouldn't be wearing earth-style jewelery, either, especially wedding rings.


I agree. It is a point to change.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've updated my doc to include "Note: Eye-wear and wedding rings should not be worn for application pictures."

I know there are some cases where people are told to wear their glasses all the time, so the "should" leaves this as a suggestion rather than a mandatory requirement.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Nik!


New modification by Jedimika

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Late to this so not sure if its already been brought up (or I'm overlooking) but shouldn't Weequay be added to the list of possible species?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sora_Bulq
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Weequay_Jedi


The New Modifications would be written

-Weequay ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sora_Bulq or http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Weequay_Jedi )

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oraculo wrote:
rogue9607 wrote:
In my comparison, I labeled the new one "Traditional Generic Jedi Standard"... does that help with removing the "prequel" label?


I like this title. Also in the future, we can make a Custome Standard to Jedis of New Republic (post-Battle of Yavin).,

Best Regards! Wink Wink


Ummm... I think you miss the problem. If you go with the traditional generic Jedi (which is a problematic term, traditional compared to what?) then doing a New Republic standard is redundant. If you go with a prequel Jedi standard then you need a New Republic standard to cover both eras. The latter is what the LCJs wanted to do but is what was voted against. Hence why I asked which way we were going with this.

A prequel standard will have LOTS less options because they are all pretty uniform while a New Republic standard would have many more because of the many and varied sources they come out of.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Added Weequay on the comparison file.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember when it was OR and NR, Old Republic Jedi and New Republic Jedi.

The difference, Old republic was the "traditional" Prequel Series style of Tunics, Tabbards, and Robes in earth tones only.
Then the New Republic was a lot more adventurous. Basing on Comic books and Video games like Jedi Outcast: Jedi Academy. We had tunics of different colours, (you could even have Red and Black and one of our members did, he has since passed away. Just no fluro colours, like Fluro Pink, Green, Yellow. You could even have a Jedi who wore an in universe jacket or vest. It was awesome.

Now we have what would be multiple Old Republic era costumes. Which I have nothing against. But they do often clash into the same eras and make things VERY confusing and difficult. Especially makes it hard to recruit people.
Perhaps it should be, "Old Republic: Sith / Civil War Era". This would cover the games of KOTOR KOTORII and TOR, all three games and sets of comic books, realistically, the jedi wear very similar robes that could be standardized with 2 Standards, perhaps even 1. You could either have "Unarmoured and Armoured" OR just "Generic" and allow people to choose what and how much armour their Jedi wears. Cause sometimes the jedi are wearing only partial armour, just like in the clones wars. Remembering too, this was a time of war for the Jedi. They had to deal with the threat of the Sith. Plus there was alot more expression in what the Jedi wore. We saw many colours, from the traditional Earth tones of Brown-Red-Green-Black-White to purples pinks blues and even gold trimmings.

Next you jump forward several thousand years to the "Old Republic: Prequal / Clone Wars Era". now pretty self explanatory as I stated earlier. This would consist of the "Traditional" style robes, in Earth Tones, Browns, Tans, Blacks-Grey-Whites, dull greens, Dull reds (no blue as far as I know) and so on. This started as a time of peace for thousands of years. And then you introduce armour, but Clone wars era armour, with the peace time robes.

And finally you get the NR Jedi or "New Republic Jedi". However, with episode 7 coming out, this is something we should subcategories with EU before 7, since all New Republic Jedi to date have come from Expanded Universe sources, so, depending on E7, this should be referred to as "New Republic Jedi: Pre Episode 7 EU". And what this can cover can be, Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, Legacy Era comics, and so on. This can be the Jedi of many colours (still minus the Fluros, but have blues, greens, yellows, reds, AND the traditional earth tones. Cause often both Luke and Kyle Katarn wore these robes. But we also see (again using Jedi academy examples) Jedi wearing different coloured and styled robes, tabbards, jackets, vests, pants, skirts, belts, stolen imperial armour and so forth. But it all still looked in-universe and very awesome. It was a time of freedom in the galaxy as the oppression of the Empire was mostly removed and we can expect the look of the Jedi to reflect that. No more serious dull restrictions on their dress code.

I hope all this makes sense in the end. I've basically taken the multiple categories we have listed so far and narrowed / defined them down to just a small few.
"Old Republic: Sith / Civil War Era" (Kotor, KotorII, TOR)
"Old Republic: Prequal / Clone Wars Era" (Episodes 1,2,3)

And depending on how Episode 7 goes.
"New Republic Jedi" (After Episode 6)
or
"New Republic Jedi: Pre Episode 7 EU" (Everything EU after Episode 6)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopfot wrote:
I hope all this makes sense in the end. I've basically taken the multiple categories we have listed so far and narrowed / defined them down to just a small few.
"Old Republic: Sith / Civil War Era" (Kotor, KotorII, TOR)
"Old Republic: Prequal / Clone Wars Era" (Episodes 1,2,3)

And depending on how Episode 7 goes.
"New Republic Jedi" (After Episode 6)
or
"New Republic Jedi: Pre Episode 7 EU" (Everything EU after Episode 6)


I guess I don't see the purpose of this over simplification (imo) of the categories. I know we've had a lot of discussion (both here and in the charter section) about how much customization is appropriate, but I feel these high level categories would take us way too far down the custom route and away from recreating screen/media accurate costumes. I know some feel the current standard already is too far down that path.

Just looking at your first category of Sith/Civil War Era, we already have KOTOR generic, armored TOR, and Tython TOR standards. I don't see any path that combines even those three (and they're far from encompassing that entire period) into one standard without it effectively saying "make something that looks like TOR/KOTOR" leaving it incredibly open to customization.

I've come to the belief that we should have standards for costumes that are basically similar, whether they're in the same source/time period or cross multiple sources/time periods. The current proposal captures the majority of the references for the tunic/OT/obi style Jedi seen in both the Prequel and New Republic (Legends) eras (and I agree that "prequel" is not a good label for this standard). We certainly could split those two periods, but they share a majority of the components, so I feel it would be a confusing exercise with little discernible benefit to the membership.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A sleeveless OT should be surcoat or standard OT style in length. (Ki Adi Mundi and Sarrissa Jeng are examples of surcoat style OT’s.)
e. Tabards should not be worn with Ki Adi Mundi style OT or surcoat. Tabards are required with the standard OT style.

It would be very sad, if the Ki Adi Mundi style tunic would be left out. I just recognised it and wanted to start one in the near future!

- by the way: has any one looked at the "Dawn of the Jedi" comic books? For the start the colours are completely different!
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