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RFT wearing... field caps!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's my opinion, that if you are going to use the canon explaination for including a cap in the costume standards, it has to be the exact cap - Same color and design.

Even if you go the 3 EU source route. a army patrol cap (of whatever color) really doesn't look like the pictured caps without mods done to it. But this would be where you'd have more room for color choices.

but that's just my opinion.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see making the cap part of the costume standard for formal...
it isn't seen on screen...

and..

as I always note..
99% of all events we do are informal events..
so if you make a hat..
you can pretty much wear it whenever...


if you do wear the hat to an event without the bucket...
the public probably won't recognize your character without that big old bucket...



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ Too true.

This is the type of thing that we geeks use to show off to each other at cons and online. Could be interesting to see as variation in a fanfilm too. But at a normal charity troop, you'll get little kids telling you your costume is "wrong."
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schph Gochi wrote:
I can't see making the cap part of the costume standard for formal...
it isn't seen on screen...


??? Wink


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If something is on screen, it is canon, and therefore can be added to the "Optional" list in the Costume requirements. But that doesn't mean that it has to be added as required for a Formal costume. Otherwise, if a cap was on the Formal list, only troopers who have a cap could attend Lucasfilm Ltd events.

Not every canon item needs to be on the formal list.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe what Blair posted was a screenshot from the bluray edition of ANH so it is seen on screen. Smile Actually it was always there ever since the original ANH cut in 1977, it just wasn't visible due to lower quality/different camera angles.

Edit: also please keep in mind that not all of us don our costumes just to entertain the crowds. Wink One of the RL goals stated in the charter is accuracy to source material, even if it's not widely recognizable.

Edit2: Kievan, you posted just before I did, so I saw your reply afterwards. Let me address your point about optional. I believe what I wrote on the previous page of this topic was:

ShVagYeR wrote:
I suppose the cap could be added as an optional item to the standards. Smile


It seems we are in agreement - it should be added as an optional item. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, missed Phyllis' short statement that she hadn't seen the cap on screen.

I wasn't debating whether the cap was seen on screen or not, or on the merits of advancing our knowledge of the Star Wars costumes through research. I was trying to clear up what seemed to be a question of the definitions of "canon" and "formal." Thanks for pointing out what my eye missed.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RFT without helmet?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blair wrote:
Schph Gochi wrote:
I can't see making the cap part of the costume standard for formal...
it isn't seen on screen...


??? Wink



yeah...
I can pick up some real detail with regard to the cap with that shot..

and..

I guess we should also include the Pilot's leg flares seen on one of the RFT's?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schph Gochi wrote:

yeah...
I can pick up some real detail with regard to the cap with that shot..

and..

I guess we should also include the Pilot's leg flares seen on one of the RFT's?


Sorry, but I really don't care if "cap" will somebody include to standards or not ... there was topic and I added picture which I found ...


ps: and I am sorry, that it corrupted idea that RFT with cap was not seen on screen ... but if somebody don't like it, don't hate messenger ...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schph Gochi wrote:
I guess we should also include the Pilot's leg flares seen on one of the RFT's?

Yes. In fact I have no idea why it isn't there yet. The on-screen evidence has been around for years. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest...
anyone who wants to propose either item is free to go ahead and post it in the Costume Standards area...

Optional items are usually some additional elements you add to the required elements in order to enhance the screen likeness.

Adding a field cap, baseball cap or whatever it might be is not actually ADDING a piece since you can't wear two hats at one time...

I am not sure if that is making much sense...
but...
if there were a lot of RFT's wearing said hat...
then it would make sense to make it an either/or

Hat
OR
Bucket

Adding another hat as an optional item simply doesn't make sense...
well..
not to me anyway...
I would sooner see the leg flare holder and leg flares as an optional item as that is something that would be an added element without removing any of the required elements.

dunno...

Truth be told....
if you want to wear a tiara with your RFT to a non formal event...feel free to do so
as long as your Base Commander and the event co-ordinator is ok with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at it this way: trooping in a RFT helmet is as you surely know not always comfortable, getting too warm inside, not always being able to hear other people, stuff like that. So often you want to take your helmet off for a while to relax. When that happens, if you want to stay formal (if you're at a formal event for example) you can pull out the cap from your pocket, put it on and there you are. Smile That's how I'd see the cap being an optional item.

As for making it an item that could be used instead of the helmet, well, IMHO there is merit to that option as well. See, if we removed the helmet from the equation, RFT would probably become the cheapest and easiest costume you can join the RL with that's not from the EU (that spot currently being occupied by the New Republic pilot dress uniform, I believe). That way I'm sure some people would find joining the RL easier and, once they've trooped once or twice, they'd realize: oh gosh, people don't recognize me, but they do recognize my friend over there who has the same costume with a helmet! I've gotta get one of those as well!

Just my 2 cents. Smile

As for the leg flares, I will post it the standards section tomorrow. Thanks for the advice. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think both the cap and the Leg flares should be added to the options list (never ment to replace the helmet completely with the cap in the formal requirements)

I doubt anyone will show up to an LFL event in a RFT without a helmet. it just doesn't fit the costume. But the caps are seen on screen, and are a canon choice to replace the helmet with.

I don't know if you still require table duty to be filled with a formal costume, but I think we did in my day. (correct me if I'm wrong please) Wearing the cap doing that allows you to be more comfortible as suck. It doesn't hurt anyone to have it there. and may encourage people.

Just the Opinion of a former RFT. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schph Gochi wrote:

Optional items are usually some additional elements you add to the required elements in order to enhance the screen likeness.

Adding a field cap, baseball cap or whatever it might be is not actually ADDING a piece since you can't wear two hats at one time...

I am not sure if that is making much sense...
but...
if there were a lot of RFT's wearing said hat...
then it would make sense to make it an either/or

Hat
OR
Bucket


True ...

Schph Gochi wrote:
Adding another hat as an optional item simply doesn't make sense...
well..


True ... True ... True ....
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