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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:37 pm    Post subject: Rebel Fleet Trooper-what you need to know Reply with quote



You can save Visual Guide to your computer so that you can enlarge areas that you would like to see better.



Rebel Fleet Trooper Costume Standard (enhanced - clarificaton added)


Required Items:

Accurate Fleet Trooper helmet - Helmet may be left white or may be painted a light dove gray. On screen helmets were found to be light gray and the studio lighting rendered them white. You can have an affixed opaque or plexiglas black visor, or your visor may be configured to go down in front of your face. Antenna is optional.

Long-sleeve blue workshirt with bib in front (blue chambrey or blue oxford button-down recommended; bib should cover front of shirt with no gaps at the bottom). Screen accurate is no cuffs, shirts are accepted with a cuff. Also, take care that your bib covers all buttons, including the one at the neck. Do not buy shirts with a button down collar.

Black, collarless vest with 4 pockets in the front. Remove all buttons. Screen accurate vests also have pockets in the back. Optional pockets in the back include one large at the top and a "strip" pocket with 3 compartments on the botton.

Light Grey pants with large cargo pockets


Black mid-calf boots (or suitable substitute, shaft should be 11-13 inches tall; taller boots can have the pants bloused over to appear shorter). Screen accurate boots were jackboots. You can use engineer boots with a round toe and low heel but you MUST remove the strap at the ankle.


Brown leather/vinyl belt with metal buckle. Buckle can be rectangular, oval, or octagon-shaped. Belt should be 1 3/4" to 2" wide. Belt color similar to Tandy Leather' Range Tan or Canyon Tan.




Formal Requirements - Choose One:
(Unless local laws prohibit or strongly discourage carrying anything that looks like a firearm)

A DH-17 blaster
A pike weapon
Rank Badge



Optional Item - Not Required for Formal

Accurate Holster






ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND TUTORIALS CAN BE FOUND HERE:


http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/tantive/

http://www.sunriderbase.com/board/viewforum.php?f=2

http://studiocreations.com/howto/rebelfleettrooper/main.html

http://www.swtroopers.com/reb_costumes_rft.htm

http://www.tk560.com/blaster2.html

http://www.tk560.com/fleettrooper.html




Shirt
Navy workshirts are becoming hard to find as the shirts that most of us used have been discontinued by the Navy.

option here:
http://www.fatiguesarmynavy.com/store/item/CA1102/Authentic_US_Navy_style_Chambray_Cotton_Work_Shirt

you can also use these:

http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/3-new-italian-navy-shirts-blue-denim.aspx?a=504860

Note that vest and pants are both from "Out In Style"...

Vest
A Battle Dress Uniform (BDU) shirt is used to make the black vest. Take off the collar, sleeves, and buttons.
http://www.outinstyle.com/p-/RCO-7970.html

Pants
light gray/swat gray pants
http://www.outinstyle.com/p-MILUNIFORMS/RCO-8810.html


Belts:

belt blank to dye:
http://www.tandyleatherfactory.com/en-usd/home/department/Belts/44538-184.aspx?feature=Product_10

belt buckle:
http://www.tandyleatherfactory.com/en-usd/home/department/Buckles/Buckle-Making-Supplies/11687-00.aspx?feature=Product_5

Range Tan:
http://www.tandyleatherfactory.com/en-usd/search/searchresults/2600-07.aspx

Canyon Tan:
http://www.tandyleatherfactory.com/en-usd/search/searchresults/2600-06.aspx

Engineer Boots -
you will need to remove the buckle at the ankle

http://www.leatherup.com/p/Xelement-Biker-Boots/Classic-Motorcycle-Advanced-Engineer-Biker-Boot/41630.html

Helmet:
At the Tantive Yahoo Group there is a file with information on ordering RFT buckets.

Also available from the original prop maker Andrew Ainsworth:

http://www.sdsprops.com/shop-online/rebel.html

Most current helmets by TK560

http://www.tk560.com/fleettrooper.html
catalog page here notes that the catalog is being revised

http://www.tk560.com/catalog.html


Studio Creations helmet
http://www.studiocreations.com/howto/rebelfleettrooper/main.html
then click on "helmet"


Mon Cal helmet:
http://www.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43802
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hola!

ok, just to clarify in my own mind...would it be wise to assume at this time that all of us that already have been approved already are in fact grandfathered into any thing prior to this publication? Or will we have to upgrade?

Also curiosity also makes me ask the following:

Helmet. There is nothing mentioned about the antenna.

Vest. (I read what it says mind you) are ALL buttons supposed to be taken off or did you mean only the ones in the front that would actually close the vest as the bdu's original intent? on the bdu shirt, the pockets are closed by buttons so should the those be taken off too and replaced with velcro or those little pain in the butt clasp/closure thing like on the back of a bra (sorry, first thing that came to mind)? Also, is it going to become a standard or remain optional for the back pockets to put on?

As an aside, the picture on the left looks like a costume base, is it possible to get measurements provided of the pockets from the different sizes of to gauge the difference? this way if a member who has the bdu shirt wants to match the rest of the squads costume base attire, they can look somewhat uniform. or in my case, I'm an XXL and CB doesn't go up that high. if there was a write up on that, it would be kind of cool, no?

Shirt. The picture on the left is a costume base item. is it possible to get a break down of what the the shirt and vest actually look like seperately? for me, I'd be curious to see how the top part is put together in light of the "bib covers all buttons, including the one at the neck." Mine doesn't do so very well if I want to fit my head through the gap, LOL! i have an odd shape, what can I say Razz

Rank Badge. Ok, this is rather curious because we never see an RFT with one on. While there are different types of rank badges, what would be the correct one for an RFT? If it is of the type used in ANH, how would those be marked since the last reference I saw showed no listing of NCO ranks in the Alliance and I think there are a good portion of us put ourselves in that category. Unless the Legion is using a system of their own design that I haven't seen or heard about (is that even allowed?). Also, where is this rank badge worn? on the left breast or right? it makes more sense on the left especially given how big the pocket is on the right of a costume base vest. Would an Endor Commando or Hoth Trooper rank badge be legal also?

While writing the above an idea came to mind that might bear some consideration. For formal requirements, why not remove the rank badge altogether and replace it with the option for both back pockets? or just add the back pockets as a fourth option to become formal


and again, these are just thoughts that came to mind while reading the first post. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MacRican wrote:
hola!

ok, just to clarify in my own mind...would it be wise to assume at this time that all of us that already have been approved already are in fact grandfathered into any thing prior to this publication? Or will we have to upgrade?

Yes....this is for anyone making a new costume.
All current RFTs keep their status.


Also curiosity also makes me ask the following:

Helmet. There is nothing mentioned about the antenna.

Look again....the Visual guide addresses the antenna.

Vest. (I read what it says mind you) are ALL buttons supposed to be taken off or did you mean only the ones in the front that would actually close the vest as the bdu's original intent? on the bdu shirt, the pockets are closed by buttons so should the those be taken off too and replaced with velcro or those little pain in the butt clasp/closure thing like on the back of a bra (sorry, first thing that came to mind)? Also, is it going to become a standard or remain optional for the back pockets to put on?

ALL visible buttons should be removed- that is currently mandatory and was added awhile back. Pockets on the back are still optional.
Check standard here:

http://www.rebellegion.com/about_standards.php?id=8863


As an aside, the picture on the left looks like a costume base, is it possible to get measurements provided of the pockets from the different sizes of to gauge the difference? this way if a member who has the bdu shirt wants to match the rest of the squads costume base attire, they can look somewhat uniform. or in my case, I'm an XXL and CB doesn't go up that high. if there was a write up on that, it would be kind of cool, no?

I don't know if Lothar's is a Costume Base...but I doubt it. I believe that was made from scratch. You can check with him (board name is Jolee Bindo) on pocket sizes. I have a standard and modified BDU.

Shirt. The picture on the left is a costume base item. is it possible to get a break down of what the the shirt and vest actually look like seperately? for me, I'd be curious to see how the top part is put together in light of the "bib covers all buttons, including the one at the neck." Mine doesn't do so very well if I want to fit my head through the gap, LOL! i have an odd shape, what can I say Razz

Don't know what to tell you on that.

Rank Badge. Ok, this is rather curious because we never see an RFT with one on. While there are different types of rank badges, what would be the correct one for an RFT? If it is of the type used in ANH, how would those be marked since the last reference I saw showed no listing of NCO ranks in the Alliance and I think there are a good portion of us put ourselves in that category. Unless the Legion is using a system of their own design that I haven't seen or heard about (is that even allowed?). Also, where is this rank badge worn? on the left breast or right? it makes more sense on the left especially given how big the pocket is on the right of a costume base vest. Would an Endor Commando or Hoth Trooper rank badge be legal also?

See this member if you want to see what the badge looks like...
http://www.rebellegion.com/forum/costume.php?mode=view&c=6190
and
no
it is not the same as a Endor Commando or Hoth badge.
Another look can be found here.

http://www.djsyczylo.net/replicas/StarWars/RebelBadges/RFTbadges.html



While writing the above an idea came to mind that might bear some consideration. For formal requirements, why not remove the rank badge altogether and replace it with the option for both back pockets? or just add the back pockets as a fourth option to become formal

Again, the pockets on the back are optional at this time. Most RFTs have the blaster as the optional item.



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

awesome, thanks for writing back so quickly. I totally failed and didn't even see the blurb at the top regarding the antenna as well as re-check the standards regarding the visible buttons. my bad Sad I will be removing the buttons on my new vest this week in that case

The shirt thing I'll figure out. it doesn't look overly sloppy, but I know I can make it better at some point Smile that

the rank badge thing just didn't seem clear to me at first read and in my mind could be misinterpreted. that's why I wanted the clarification. The second link that you put up though is very interesting because he lists the actual dimensions of the rank badge. That is something else I might try my hand at at some point. Thank you!

my bad about the Costume Base, no offense was intended on that or in any part of my post, just the things that came to my brain at that moment of reading Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for pointing some things out...
sometimes we who write this stuff look at it from only one point of view.
so
it helps a LOT to have someone else take a look at it.

I will be going back to the written standard below the visual guide to clarify what is currently optional.

The visual guide is a means to see what the written word says...
some of us are really visual....and photos help.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Information about my Fleet Trooper costume:

The shirt is completely hand-made from light blue cotton. So we also have no cuffs. Costumbase has cuffs. Here also better pictures of the shirt. If you compare it to one of Costumebase, you will ascertain the differences.



The grey trousers are Cargo trousers from the military shop (www.asmc.de).

The waistcoat is also hand-made. We have taken over merely the cut (one sample) from Costumebase. But we use a better cotton and linen material. Thus we can also produce for smaller and bigger Trooper jackets ourselves. Look to our new member “Syron”. The Shirt and the west the same…but in size XXXL…a size, the Costumebase does not have and also cannot make.

Should this pose a problem, Phyllis can extinguish my picture from the guid.

Who knows my costumes and my person (look to my profile), also knows that I allow to tailor so much as possible myself and carry no ready costumes from ebay.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope...you are good Lothar...

just wanted to clarify that your shirt and vest were all hand made...

they are indeed more screen accurate than Costume Base version or even taking commercial shirts and black BDU's and modifying them..

Thanks for checking in..

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be armed for the future, I have bought even a lot of material (at own expenses) on reserve, so that we can always deliver the same quality for later Trooper:

15 metres of blue material (cotton)
15 metres of black material (cotton-wool linen)
15 metres of black lining for the waistcoat. Our new waistcoats are fed inside because they thereby carry better and more pleasantly.
5 meter leather for the holster and belt
6 grey Cargo-trousers (2 x size M, 2 x size L, 2 x size XL)

Boots, helmet and Blaster must get themselves new Trooper.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good idea...
I kind of do the same thing for my Base...

When purchasing supplies (if I can afford it at the time) I will always buy extra for future recruits.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I am a longtime member of the German Base Yavin and know Lothar for quite a while, I can assure you, Mac, that no part of Lothars costumes is bought from Costume Base. I know he used a Costume Base vest to create a improved pattern. But he never wore or displayed one.
In fact I know that Simon, who runs Costume Base, asked Lothar for advice regarding the proper way to tailor a costume on more than one occasion.

On the other hand I believe that being a member of the Rebel Legion should give us the feeling of "We can help each other to improve" instead of "I can make it better!"

No offence meant!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At work we have to write standard procedures for the things we do maintain our area to a specific standard. I can see the benefit and the logic of it all but it is really horrible. My dept got hit really hard with it over the last few months and some of us are almost always being hit with little details that need to be adjusted or put in to play or poodoo-cannned so it makes me more vigilant of some things I guess. :\

Due to the crap we have to deal with in the above paragraph, it made me look at the first post's guidelines as, what my company would call, Standard Work Procedure. it was that coupled with my brain wanting to clarify things that made my initial post happen. No offense was meant by anything.

Also, I was by no means calling into question the quality of Lothar's costume. To my eyes, it looked like the costume base which is not uncommon to see around these parts (and for the record, if they made their RFT's in my size, i probably would own one). It's like people only saw Costume Base and ignored everything else. Basically, I just wanted to know more about it's structure because it looks good. I know that I would like to, at some point, get the pockets on my recently re-done vest to look like that and I'm sure that other people down the line would probably try it also, which is why I asked questions. To my own minds eye, having information like I asked for regarding the pockets and shirt and even the rank badge would be ideal to have in one place for those of us who only dabble in sewing and want to try and get things as "right" as possible.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem..
I am grateful for your questions....
it let's me know that some areas are not clear...

I hope to keep improving the structure and content as I begin work on the Endor one..
which is REALLY going to be daunting to get right.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just wanted to confirm some details to look out for when purchasing the items needed for the vest and pants that I haven't really seen specified since many online sellers do not list all of the details of the items that they sell. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The recommended BDU's for the vest are:

Rothco # 7970 Ultra Force Poly/Cotton Black B.D.U. Shirt.

These are the features desired on the shirt.

Poly/cotton Twill material (Try to avoid BDU's that are advertised as Rip Stop. Most of the other brands are.)

Four large button bellows pockets (Two on breast, Two on front waist)

Reinforced elbows (There are two differenst styles of the reinforced elbows. The large one piece elbow patch can be removed and used for the pocket on the back of the vest. The two piece elbow with a seam in the center is unusable for that pocket, but a suitable piece may be cut from another part of the removed arm sleeves.)

There are other BDU shirts out there that are only the two pocket variety. Avoid these and get a four pocket version.



The pants are Rothco # 8810 gray BDU's (No modifications needed on those.)
There are lots of other BDU styles and brands available and some of them may also work, but if you purchase the Rothco items listed above, I don't think that you can go wrong.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The manufacturers are moving their product lines towards duplicating the current issue ACU styles and dropping the slow selling items.

The non-rip stop versions of BDUs are gettng harder to find, so that's why we allow either material.

Another tip - here's a picture of an actual screen used RFT shirt:

http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=3435528&iSaleNo=15337&sServer=http://images1.bonhams.com/&sPath=2007-01/09/7347573-103-1.jpg
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be honest....I ordered 2 BDU shirts when I started my RFT because I wasn't sure of the sizing.....
both shirts were from the same place...
and the same item number..
I ordered one small and the other was medium...
when the shirts came...
one was ripstop(and cotton/poly blend) and the other was 100% cotton sooo...
at the end of the day..
you are never really quite sure what you are going to get.

The links in the first post are just for people to get an idea of what they are looking for...
and not a mandate to buy anything from any given website...

Some people don't like to surf around much...and would rather just click and buy...
Feel free to surf at will and if you find a better product or a better price...
make sure to post the link...and I can always add to the first post as another option.

The Navy Chambray shirts are also disappearing as the Navy went to a different shirt....
so...eventually those Navy Chambray shirts will probably become hard to find.

In truth, the commercial BDU shirts don't have the right pocket configuration. If you look at Lothar's vest in the Visual Dictionary...that is more what the screen version looked like...

and

the best shirts would also be made from scratch so that you can have no cuff on the sleeve.

On one of my shirts, it was so long that I was able to juct cut off the cuff and hem the sleeve. But my other shirt the sleeves were not long enough so could not just cut the cuff off...I had to remove the cuff and the detail around the slit and then sew it back together....
you can see that seam depending on how I my arm is positioned.
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