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PArmstr (Patricia Armstrong-Krauss)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been told I should not use the reference of the DH-17 riffle used by one of Saw's partisans as a reference for a rebel trooper blaster because it is missing the tactical flashlight and has a darker sling. It is basically the same blaster and I do not have much of a choice because it is the clearest image of the blaster in the movie. All the rebel trooper images can only be found in behind the scenes material.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found a larger screencap with better quality on the internet.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do we have any screen references of the open-back vest or the Cassian style flak vest being worn over this tunic? If they have been placed in the older thread they should be moved over to here. Otherwise it appears that only the grenade vest or bandolier is worn.

Also, I would like to propose that the DH-17 be required to be the Rogue One style with the magwell, as opposed to a Rebel Fleet Trooper pistol style with no magwell. If Carbine is referring to the stock then we should state the stock is optional.

The hard pack radio backpack is not seen on this jacket type and I do not think it should be listed as an option.

Goggles should have "or exact replica" listed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kievan Mereel wrote:
Do we have any screen references of the open-back vest or the Cassian style flak vest being worn over this tunic? If they have been placed in the older thread they should be moved over to here. Otherwise it appears that only the grenade vest or bandolier is worn.

Also, I would like to propose that the DH-17 be required to be the Rogue One style with the magwell, as opposed to a Rebel Fleet Trooper pistol style with no magwell. If Carbine is referring to the stock then we should state the stock is optional.

The hard pack radio backpack is not seen on this jacket type and I do not think it should be listed as an option.

Goggles should have "or exact replica" listed.



Gorka with Cassian style vest, Melshi type vest (open-back vest) and grenade vest






What does the term magwell mean? Do you mean that all Rogue One DH-17 had the magazine on the left side? That is not the case. The Bistan style DH-17 (visual guide page 160 and 161) and the DH-17 with M4 shoulder stock do not have the magazine. Only the type that Private Kappehl and Corporal Maddel (visual guide 154 and 157) carry have it sometimes.

There are two Scarif Marines with a backpack. There is Pao, who wears an anorak (gorka) style jacket without a hood and there is a trooper with a khaki Melshi type tunic.

There are three main versions of the Rogue One DH-17 blaster used in the movie.

Version One:



Version Two:



Version Three:







Visual guide page 159

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems clear that blaster types 2 and 3 don't have a magwell. That rocket trooper wouldn't have been able to have it slung on his back like that if there was a protruding magazine, and type three with the stock has that vertical shot where one is not visible. It seems only type 1 has a magazine.

As for the backpack, are we counting Pao as an armored-up anorak trooper with an open-back vest and backpack? Or is he a unique face character which we would not use to extrapolate to the generic extras that this standard applies to?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kievan Mereel wrote:

As for the backpack, are we counting Pao as an armored-up anorak trooper with an open-back vest and backpack? Or is he a unique face character which we would not use to extrapolate to the generic extras that this standard applies to?


I count Poa as anorak trooper, with a open-back vest and a backpack and as an alien face character because the current Scarif Marine CS does not permit a generic Scarif Marine alien that not wear the standard types of headgear. The new Cs should permit generic alien Scarif Marine with or without headgear because Pao as well as the sullustan Scarif Marine from battlefront 1 and 2 have a race-specific headgear.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has not been questioned yet but here is the reference for why we are changing the cap colors to blue, tan/khaki, and brown. The current CS says

Hoth-style soft cap in coyote brown or blue with replica communication device and tactical goggles. Replica communication device must be proportional to the wearer. Goggles may have clear, smoke, or yellow tinted lenses.





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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The color for the grenade vest should be changed. The current CS states

U.S. Medium Olive Drab Nylon Grenade Vest, dyed black with yellow detail on the two grenade pouches on the upper right shoulder. The grenade pocket tabs, grenade pocket edge tape, and the vest’s edge tape are painted brown.


The vest is actually dyed brown. That can clearly be seen on the back. Only the grenade pockets are black. Also, should the yellow detail be optional and not mandatory because not all of the grenade vests have the yellow detail.


Back of vest












Vests with yellow detail











Vests that do not have the yellow detail






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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the cap color is more tan than khaki because this Pathfinder's pants, vest, jacket, and cap are all almost the same color. He is wearing the same jacket as Lt. Sefla that looks a yellowish tan and not khaki in all references we have.











Lieutenant Taido Sefla













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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PArmstr wrote:
The color for the grenade vest should be changed. The current CS states

U.S. Medium Olive Drab Nylon Grenade Vest, dyed black with yellow detail on the two grenade pouches on the upper right shoulder. The grenade pocket tabs, grenade pocket edge tape, and the vest’s edge tape are painted brown.


The vest is actually dyed brown. That can clearly be seen on the back. Only the grenade pockets are black. Also, should the yellow detail be optional and not mandatory because not all of the grenade vests have the yellow detail.


To stress one aspect of this: I don't think we should specify dye or paint for the process. There are several ways to obtain the desired appearance. (including scratch build with correctly-colors fabric from the start, not that anyone is likely to be that crazy, but some day the supply of these will dry up...)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terran S wrote:
A few things I noticed. Some are just "since we have an official name, let's use it".
Most of these will apply to the other standard proposals too, so I will cross-post on those threads.

"M1 helmet" proposed change: ACH-14 (Czerka advanced combat helmet)
- M1-style helmet
- Tan helmet cover with ribbed strip on top that does not extend past the outer shield
- Dark green or day gray shield ring with flashlight on left side...


A minor note about the use of "in-universe accurate names" (which are great to include when we have them):

I think we should still state each section with the more generic term, just for readability. Looking over the proposed changes, seeing a resulting list of requirements that state:

Quote:
ACH-14 (Czerka advanced combat helmet)
- item
- item

M4D combat boots
- item
- item


... is very intimidating, and harder to read. Instead, I would propose friendlier, easier-to-follow descriptive part headings, with the in-universe names in quotes after that:

Quote:
HELMET "ACH-14 (Czerka advanced combat helmet)"
- item
- item

BOOTS "M4D combat boots"
- item
- item


Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your input, kman. I agree that we should be careful how we word things because people might make things themself instead of buying and dying/painting them. That is one of the reasons why we are changing the Gorka 3 or 4 jacket parts to "olive or tan/khaki anorak with brown contrast similar to Gorka 3 or 4". A self-made anorak could be way more screen accurate than the Gorkas 3 and 4 jacket. I do not think that someone would do it for the grenade vest but you never know.

I also agree that we should use inworld terms in combination with the real world terms. It will definitely help understanding but also help with searching online for the items. This is a WIP that still has a long way to go before it is done. We still have to figure out how everything needs to be done with the new CS format.
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